Daniel D. Teoli Jr.

Then it wont work for warped film. Sounds like a Retroscan gate where the film just runs between two edges...flat or warped. Warped films should be flattened in the gate or you can't get any steady focus.

Todd, if you haven't done so, you should be making a blog about your work with Diamant. Showcasing options you can deliver with your stock footage / restoration gig. Same with Robert. He talked about making things work for low budget indie films. Well put out some of the budget plans to show how it works in black and white. I mean, you guys are in biz. You want biz. So, spell out all the options to get more biz and show how it can be done before someone gives up on it due to worries about costs. Breast feed them in info!

Tyler, it is very troubling they would send out the machine with a gate that scratches film. Do you think it was a QC fluke? That's basic shit right there. You got a brand new camera or scanner, it should not scratch the film. How did you recover from that loss?

Robert, you should know about scanners. And have samples ready from various scanners for the film practitioners to review before ordering scans. As far as gearheads? Dunno, I'm not on set. But sure, you got camera fondlers, fanboys and gearheads of every variety. For me, I'm not much of a gearhead. I just want the finished project. I can appreciate fit, finish and construction. But in the end, all I want is the finished product and not a hard-on for the gear. For instance, I'd be perfectly happy buying hi-grade or even decent scans of films to work with and not have to bother with the physical film and scanning. But, many times to need the experience of handling things like film to learn. You can't learn via shortcuts and be well rounded. And people may learn from the lusting and fondling of gear. There have been times in the past where I bought a thing just to look at it, see how it worked and how it was built, along with taking photos of it. If you want to look at it...you have to buy one!

Yes, true. But artists have to dream and explore. Artists need room to work for growth and development. Joan Miro in studio...click to view. Romare Bearden talked about the importance of being able to dream as an artist. In short, if you can't dream, you won't do much as a creative. Inside New Yorks Art World Romare Bearden 1979 : D.D. Teoli Jr. A.C. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive Unfortunately for the broke bohemian, cine' film is one of the most money sucking arts you can get into. I love film, but have deep regrets for ever getting into cine' film. You have to be able to do justice to your work and not just say 'hey it is film' and the project turns out shitty because of not being able to afford to do it right. This is not to say, don't do a project unless it is 100% the best. But the tech should be 'good enough' to not distract from the subject matter.

Thanks for all the info Tyler. If you are having that much trouble getting a stable image with the HDS with new film...what are you getting with warped / shrunken film?

https://www.redsharknews.com/the-next-video-codec-will-be-based-on-ai AI... You like...or not? (Not the picture, AI in general.) <><><><> Selection from Justin Trudeau Boxing Archive. Part of the Google Image Archive.

Wow, sounds terrible to deal with. As I said before, a scanner should come with instructional videos and lots of instructions to get them going. If someone like you has trouble getting it to work, it must be really bad. I'm not that concerned with color. Vast majority of my archival material is faded red, BW or just fair color. So, if color is not a concern to the operator, is the HDS still hard to run in general? Or do you have major issues with operation other than color? What is wrong with the original gate? Is that what was causing you sound synch issues? If you have a good computer and software, the internal stabilization should not be a big deal to have in the scanner. Or do you think stabilization would be better when done in-scanner as opposed to post? It would be nice to have all the bells and whistles you could, but it all reflects in the cost of the scanner. Is registration pretty good with the HDS out of the box? Is it finicky with clear edge film as opposed to black edge film like the Retroscan? I'd be fine with the 4K as-is, but sure 5K would be better just like 6K would be better than 5K. But for me, getting a decent scan with good dynamic range would be fine. I don't need the sharpest thing in the world. Recession? Well, I don't know where things are going. Most of my life has been a recession. But we keep on chugging away, the best we can, doing our work that keeps us going. (Work that keeps us going, nurturing us from within; as opposed to work that just pays the bills but can be soul crushing.) I've cut back in a lot of areas of my work due to $$. I hated to do it, but something has to give. Inflation has killed many areas of my work. Even little areas like not having to pay sales tax in the past for internet purchases, and now having to; and skyrocketing shipping rates are a big deal.

I got a Retroscan. I use it for archival films. For my own film work I only use digital. I dropped film in early 2000's. But film is all I work with in the cine' film Archive. I couldn't say if you would like the Retroscan for your use or not. My older 2K model works best with black edge films as opposed to clear edge film. Their new model has a different register system using a laser. But, it does not work good with warped film, so that does not help me. (At least that was the result from trying a laser gate on my model.) The Retroscan scans may better if I could stabilize them. But my old computer does not work well with stabilizing. It is low power and blows out hot air like a blow dryer and takes forever. I use tabletop fan to shoot air into it when it does video work to cool it down. Plus, my software is puny. In other words, if you got a good computer and good software you may do much better than me with a Retroscan. Here are some sample scans from the Retroscan. (Some are nsfw) Internet Archive Search: retroscan teoli I don't scan that much with the Retroscan because I want 4K scans for the Archive, not 2K plus I want a better sensor for dynamic range than the Retroscan has. I just do a few scans once in a while under the auspices of something is better than nothing. I was hoping to get a cheap 4K scanner like a Lasergraphics Archivist or FF HDS+, but things didn't work out for me. I had a lady that wanted to sponsor me by buying a cheap $50K film scanner for the Archive. Both scanning companies had problems at the time, so I didn't take her up on the offer. (Lasergraphics never answers emails and HDS+ has sound synch issues.) With the recent stock market decline she had lost over a million $$ and is not feeling that rich any more to throw $50k around. So, the whole scanning thing got screwed up from bad luck on my part. If you are not well-funded, film scanning the sucky part of doing cine' filmmaking. If you like film, but are low budget, I'd advise working small projected film clips into a digital film so you can have a 'taste of film' in your project. You know, like people are watching a projected film you shot with film within your digital film. But it all depends on how big your project is and how much film to scan. If you film project is not too big, not too $$ maybe Perry or Robert or Tyler will work you out a payment plan for you. You can buy used Retroscans on eBay to use, then resell when you are done. You should not lose much $$ on it to test one out buying used. If you want a short sample clip of your film scanned with the Retroscan (400 feet or less) and it has black edges, I'd scan it for free for you. (But you share the material with my Archive for non-commercial use and it has to be interesting to the Archive.) Well, good luck with your project! eBay Photo - Fair Use

Considering the problems you have had with the Film Fabriek HDS+, what would you say is the realistic price it should sell for? A price that you would be comfortable with, with all the issues it has? Would you recommend the Film Fabriek HDS+ to operators with lower tech skills or is it only for those with lots of experience? Anything happening on the scanner market as far as new units being introduced or other developments?

You would figure, for $35k, the Cintel would be doable.

Film Archives supposedly trash films if they get dupes that are better. You would think they would sell them or donate to collectors, but I've been told they don't. In the past, some films have been put together from surviving clips sourced from collections from around the world. The Cameraman was one such film pieced together from various sources. So even clips can be important. The Camerman 1928 Generally, film should be recycled though sales or donation. I only trash very bad warped films, with emulsion flaking off that can't be scanned and are somewhat common films that could be found again. Even then, I have one such film that can't be scanned, but I will take sample photos of the frames from throughout the reel to give a sampling of what it was about. This is because it is an old stag 16mm that I never have seen, so it may be the last extant copy of the film...dunno. So I do a little work on it. I tried everything with it, chemical treatments and all. But it is a goner. Art Galley's trashing art? They are money hungry, they won't trash art. If it is of any worth they would auction it off. Even art ephemera is worth $$. W.C. Westermann envelope to a friend...$2,500.00 It just depends. Special Collection libraires and art museums routinely have trashed my hand-printed artist's books I've sent them on spec as donations. It just depends on the curators. If you donate to institutions and don't want it trashed, put restrictions in the Deed of Gift.

Looks like they ran 35mm film through it. Photos: eBay / Fair Use

Run it through the rewinds and loupe it periodically to see what you got. Make sure you loupe it at the beginning, middle and end, if you think it has spliced clips in it. Computerize the collection for searchability. Some people use bar codes. I just work with A,B,C organizing. Label the reels / cans with artist's tape and store cores in vented cans if the film is acetate. If you are going to trash it, consider putting it on eBay to recycle with film collectors / stock footage companies. I've been doing the same thing myself, going through all the films in my Archive to put on the computer. So far, just under 1000 films registered. I thought I'd be done a few months ago. Maybe I'm 40% to 50% done. Don't know. Sometimes I'd pick up a 2,000 reel and it said one thing. And when digging into it I found 20 short 100 foot nudie cuties from the 1950s. They all had to be broken down. There are some 40 foot reels and some reels with a two thousand feet. But small or large, they all have to be looked at 'enough' to give a proper reckoning in the inventory. Too bad you are in Montreal. If you were in the USA, and you had something of interest to my Archive, I could 2K scan some of it for you for free. You can put sample screenshots from the films in each computer listing. That helps a lot to give you an idea of what is on the reels. https://archive.org/download/the-segregated-swimming-hole-d.-d.-teoli-jr.-a.-c.-176/The segregated swimming hole D.D.Teoli Jr. A.C. (1).jpg Screenshot from scanner output. The cine' scanner shoots out JPEGs or TIFF's. But you got to pay for them usually. If you got a flatbed scanner you can make samples for your files. Or use your camera with a lightbox to make sample photos. Good luck!

U.K. Press Photo...no date.

Thanks Mark. Interesting photo! What is it? Are they shoes from Jews in concentration camps? I clicked on the link, but it didn't say. This area of rationing is very interesting to me. Everyone I knew from that era is dead, so no one to ask. It is like putting a puzzle together. For instance, if you needed a typewriter, you had to get on a list. The gov took much of the used typewriters out of circulation to use on the war. Need gas...you need a coupon. Nee a bag of sugar...needs coupons, and on and on. Here is the deal Mark, I'm not much for second guessing people nor sensitive to such things. I just try to stay away from politics and religion as was requested in the guidelines for this section. I have a humongous collection of material covering both of those areas, but do not use any of it here. And the crazy thing is; I'm not religious and hate politics and politicians. Yet...I don't let my personal prejudices stop me from working extensively in those areas. It is a losing battle trying not to offend anyone nowadays Mark. The WW2 shoe rationing was something I would never have thought would set anyone off. But you just never know how people are. My personal guidelines are this...if it is legal...I do as I like. When I was making the transition from film to digital, about a dozen plus years ago, I would run into people on forums that didn't like this or that project. Or how I shot it. Or whatever. I always tell them the same thing Mark. You didn't pay me to do the project for you. If you don't like it...do it yourself. But people feel entitled to direct your projects to their liking even though they are not hiring you to do it. Edit: When I saved the photo the file name was marked properly that gave the scoop. Good for them! Your file names are very important people! 450px-Shoes_of_Victims_from_Operation_Reinhard_Death_Camps_-_Collected_at_Majdanek_Concentration_Camp_-_Lublin_-_Poland

OK, thanks Dan. Will check it out. Look at this crazy thing I found in a Google image search. What, are they pumping liquid in these computers now? I can't tell. If so, and it ever springs a leak...it is done for!

Heikki answered it. Although I didn't have any intention to make this my section. I just try to send in something once in a while that I think may be of interest. I work in hundreds of areas beside cine' films. I can't help it other members don't want to participate here. Some people are like that. They just take and lurk and never give back anything. I don't get it. I don't try to make the posts titles misleading. If you don't like my posts, why on earth do you read them Simon? I look around to see what is new here for posts. Sometimes I don't see much that interests me. But, just because something is not of interest to me means nothing. It may be of interest to someone else. In any case, I just pass over it if it is not of interest. But I don't waste time telling members that it is not of interest and for them to stop posting such things. A discussion forum would not be much if everyone lurked Simon. At least I try to participate in areas that I can. If the head man doesn't like me posting in the off-topic section, I won't anymore. But I think you are only a member Simon and not the head honcho. Or do you have some special position at the forum Simon?

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Press Photo - Vilmos Zsigmond - 'No Small Affair' 1984 DDTJRAC

eBay is getting very tough to sell on. All the fees they charge and the thieves. Some people use it for short term rentals. I had sold a lens last year and the seller tightened the tripod mount too tight and claimed it was broken upon receipt. Then after it was returned, eBay charged me for the sales commission fees unless I put in a claim myself. Broken 16mm Stag Film DDTJRSGFA

https://www.videomaker.com/article/b01/19326-your-step-by-step-guide-to-assembling-a-computer-from-scratch Here is an interesting article on DIY. Still no luck finding a computer company to build one. I did get one company to finally answer the emails. But they keep sending me quotes for gamers computers with the spaceship lights on it. I guess if the components don't cost that much, you could build a computer at home and if it does not work you could trash it all, buy it again and keep trying until it works. For the $3,000 they want to build a basic work computer, you should be able to build a few test models to learn on at home. But I have no time, I'd rather pay...but only to a point. Early tape cartridge DDTJRAC Now, beside Perry, who builds their own computers? Where do you buy the parts?

https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?121955-Pricktorialism#post1239558 Dallmeyer F1.9 cine Petzval

I'd prefer the old-time jazz handbills, or from the swing era bands. But that stuff is $$. Punk era bands from the 1980's and 90's are still new enough and not valued too highly to make them prohibitive to collect. And, as I said before, I'm not a collector, I'm an archivist. So, I don't care if they are the physical paper or hi-res digital scans. I got into the punk era handbills as an offshoot from my mimeo revolution / beatnik era work. Handbills from that era are also pricey, so I looked into what was affordable to work with. Anyone ever been to the Cathay De Grande when they were operating in Hollywood? Sounds like a crazy place in its heyday. It would have been nice to have some video / film / photos from that era. I lived a few miles away. But I wasn't into it at the time. Anyone collect punk rock or mimeo revolution ephemera? Or what sort of ephemera are you interested in?

Thanks Tyler. Way above my budget, but putting one on the 'someday' wish list!