Arni Heimir Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 How often do you recommend to clean the gate? Isn't after every take too excessive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Metzger Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 How often do you recommend to clean the gate? Isn't after every take too excessive? Every "good" take might not be excessive. I think the more you open it up to check, the more prone you make it to getting hairs in there. I know the Aaton cameras say that their gates are "hairless", or claim to be, but it doesn't hurt to check. It's that bad luck type thing. You'll check for years, and then decide one day not to, and that's the day it happens to you. If you check it all the time; it doesn't hurt to keep checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brereton Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 After every good take is sensible working practice. If you're using a zoom lens you can check the gate without opening up the camera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Dan Goulder Posted January 23, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted January 23, 2006 It's that bad luck type thing. You'll check for years, and then decide one day not to, and that's the day it happens to you. How true. Imagine finding out the hard way, like after you've broken down the set and vacated the location. I wouldn't be surprised if this is just the sort of thing that's driven some filmmakers over to hi-def. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) How true. Imagine finding out the hard way, like after you've broken down the set and vacated the location. I wouldn't be surprised if this is just the sort of thing that's driven some filmmakers over to hi-def. The only time that I've seen the focus puller never check for hairs after a good take is when shooting with an open gate on 35mm. The Aaton is extremely good regarding picking up hairs in the gate, but you do need to check. I was shooting in an airport lounge and we had endless hairs in the gate. It could have been due to static being created by the tracking shots over the carpet. Edited January 23, 2006 by Brian Drysdale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted January 23, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted January 23, 2006 There's a difference between cleaning and checking the gate. Usually, the gate is cleaned every morning when preping the camera, that including lubrificating it with nat'sil (silicon) but that can be done once every few days. Checking the gate has to be done, for every shot, after the director decides to change shot, considering it's done. There may be 2, 3 or more good takes before that. But when (s)he is satysfied, the 1st AC checks the gate before the shot is wrapped. It has to be done quite quickly since everybody waits for the setup change. Not only "outside" hair can be a problem, but the film being scratched by the gate or a stripe having occured has to be checked. It has to be done very carefully, with a maglite and a magnifying glass. Once the 1st AC has done that, (s)he informs the 1st AD that the "gate is clear" so that the next shot can be setup. Ther is no need for cleaning it at that point. If ever it's not the case, then clean it and we go for more takes. I never considered Aaton or whatever camera allows to be less accurate with this. On the other hand, I noticed some cameras are more "able" to occure problems : Arri III, Arri 16 SR for instance. But it depends a lot on the gate shape and the lubrification. If you clean it well, the less problems occure. And, by the way, we sometimes say "get the check" instead, just for fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolfe Klement Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I find I get hair in the gate in 2 situations more than others. First if using a changing bag instead of a tent and second in high static and high dust areas (like carpets or jumping castles) thanks Rolfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Pytlak RIP Posted January 24, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted January 24, 2006 I find I get hair in the gate in 2 situations more than others. First if using a changing bag instead of a tent and second in high static and high dust areas (like carpets or jumping castles) thanks Rolfe Absolutely! Many times "hairs" sent to Kodak are analyzed as being fibers from the changing bag. We also find skin flakes from the film loader, clothing fibers, etc. The most interesting one I recall was analyzed as "hemp fiber". Hmm. :rolleyes: Vacuum the inside of your changing bag frequently. Or use a sticky "lint roller" to remove loose debris. Likewise, damp wipe all work surfaces in the darkroom. Electrically ground metal rewinds to discharge static buildup, and consider using a grounding strap to keep from building a charge on yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolfe Klement Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 it often comes down to how clean the 2nd AC | Film Loader is - which could lead to some interesting personal interview questions :) thanks Rolfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted January 24, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted January 24, 2006 Many times "hairs" sent to Kodak are analyzed as being fibers from the changing bag. We also find skin flakes from the film loader, clothing fibers, etc. The most interesting one I recall was analyzed as "hemp fiber". Hmm. :rolleyes: Very interesting ! No white powders then ? B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Haspel Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 in german the gate check is also often called "fussel check" , since fussel means flake ... the word "fusel" on the other hand describes destilled, hard alcohol. at the last wrap party we had hours of fun disovering the "fusel check" and permorming it with lots of vodka. damn.. what a lame anecdote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timHealy Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Absolutely! Many times "hairs" sent to Kodak are analyzed as being fibers from the changing bag. We also find skin flakes from the film loader, clothing fibers, etc. The most interesting one I recall was analyzed as "hemp fiber". Hmm. :rolleyes: Vacuum the inside of your changing bag frequently. Or use a sticky "lint roller" to remove loose debris. Likewise, damp wipe all work surfaces in the darkroom. Electrically ground metal rewinds to discharge static buildup, and consider using a grounding strap to keep from building a charge on yourself. Hemp can be found all over a film set, especially a stage where it is used in the rigging. Used mostly by grips and secondly electricians. best Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Haspel Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Hemp can be found all over a film set, especially a stage where it is used in the rigging. Used mostly by grips and secondly electricians. best Tim so you are calling grips and electricians pot heads? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Stigler Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 in german the gate check is also often called "fussel check" , since fussel means flake ...the word "fusel" on the other hand describes destilled, hard alcohol. at the last wrap party we had hours of fun disovering the "fusel check" and permorming it with lots of vodka. damn.. what a lame anecdote. It's a common phrase with the crew i usually work with. I guess filmcrews are bad company... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted January 26, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted January 26, 2006 Hemp can be found all over a film set, especially a stage where it is used in the rigging. Used mostly by grips and secondly electricians. It's true second AC are into it... I remember shooting a Cindy Lauper's concert in Paris (35 mm, 13 cameras, Zenith), in the late 80's, I was there as a runner between the loaders and a camera, and the loaders - there were all english, maybe ten of them - loading the mags in a room under the steps and smoking without a break. Never saw so many joints in the same room at the same time... Loaded loaders ! :D Anybody around here was there, BTW ? I remember a cameraman, who had a scotch bottle nearby his camera's sticks, who was quite a good fellow !, as well as the 1st AC I was working with, but I can't remember any name.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dd3stp233 Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Hemp fiber is used to make ropes, twine, cloth, paper, etc. Nobody sensible would want to smoke hemp. Different variety of the same plant that your were speaking of loaders smoking. Only the seedless flowering tops are used for what you described. That's interesting though, I've never seen a hair get stuck in a gate. I usually have more trouble with wind blown sand and dust. I always use a darkroom, never used a changing bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Max Jacoby Posted January 28, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted January 28, 2006 A dirty gate happened only about once or twice per shoot on all the features that I've loaded so far. Sometimes you go for weeks and weeks without a problem and people actually start wondering why the 1st AC always checks the bloody gate, since it's always clean. The one notable exception was on my own film of course, when we shot with ORWO black and white stock. That filmstock was so poorly manufactured that we had dirty gates on litterally every single shot. We switched to Kodak after 2 days and that was the end of dirty gates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Laurent Andrieux Posted January 28, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted January 28, 2006 I had a DA trainee coming to me once asking : "How can you figure out the shot was good by looking at the gate ?" :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timHealy Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 so you are calling grips and electricians pot heads? ;) in a word ... no. The forum about drug use is on another website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Engstrom Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 I find that keeping the tent and or the darkroom clean and rolling up the sleeves when going into the tent helps alot. When loading I shake the tent atleast twice a day and I allways keep the tent closed when I´m not loading. On one production I worked on last year one of the PA couldn´t understand why I was cleaning the darkroom for 2 hours, that wasn´t my job he said. I explained to him that it´s my job to see to it that no hairs/fibre/dust makes it into the mags. The same PA later asked me why no one ever invented a transparent loadingtent as that would make the loading procedure so much easier (before that I had explained to him really carefully that the reason to use a tent is because it has to be done in total darkness). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolfe Klement Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 a see-through changing bag or tent - that has to be one of the best things I heard all week :lol: thanks Rolfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Dan Goulder Posted January 30, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted January 30, 2006 (edited) There is some irony in that the more the gate is checked, the greater the likelihood that something foreign actually WILL end up in the gate. I discovered this the hard way on an outdoor shoot where the lens was changed (with a corresponding gate inspection) after every take. The idea was to keep the tripod locked off while just changing the focal length between shots. Of course, shooting on a dusty construction site didn't help. The bottom line: If at all possible, try to avoid pulling the lens with the camera pointed into the wind. Edited January 30, 2006 by dgoulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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