Andrew Means Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I just got some 200T and 500T developed at Alphacine in Seattle as part of my bulk batch from Japan, and they said they didn't make positive prints of negative super8 (and they didn't know of anybody who did). I suppose I could telecine the negative I have, and then flip the image in post- is that what most of you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Stephen Williams Posted October 17, 2006 Premium Member Share Posted October 17, 2006 I just got some 200T and 500T developed at Alphacine in Seattle as part of my bulk batch from Japan, and they said they didn't make positive prints of negative super8 (and they didn't know of anybody who did). I suppose I could telecine the negative I have, and then flip the image in post- is that what most of you do? Hi, Most people telecine from a negative and end up grading normal (positive) colours. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Means Posted October 17, 2006 Author Share Posted October 17, 2006 (edited) Any suggestions, tips, tutorials for somebody who's never done it before? I'll be using Sony Vegas 5 Edited October 17, 2006 by Andrew Means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Darling Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 It's flipped in the telecine itself, that is if you are using a professional telecine. You shouldn't have to flip it in your editor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Means Posted October 17, 2006 Author Share Posted October 17, 2006 It's flipped in the telecine itself, that is if you are using a professional telecine. You shouldn't have to flip it in your editor. I'm using this-could-easily-look-like-crap-so-I'm-doing-this-roll-on-the-cheap telecine, so it won't be flipped for me. No colorist on this job, it's just travel footage from Japan; if there's anything I really like on it I might get it telecine'd professionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Darling Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 If you are using a projector or such you are asking for a nightmare. Vegas should have an invert filter/effect. The problem is in the orange mask. The film is very dense and will be very dark. Add to that the large amounts of color work you will have to do to get rid of the orange mask. You will need to be able to adjust the highlights, mids, and shadows all independently. It might be easier and not that much just to send to Spectra Film & Video and have a one-light done of all your film onto Mini-DV. At $225/hr you can go through a lot of film, 1/2 hour min. I'm not trying to talk you out of doing it on your own, just somethings you should be aware of. Anyhow if you do do it on your own it's just going to be a lot of experimenting and trial to find what works. Keep in mind that the negative will pick up a lot of dust and scratches going through a projector. It's far more noticeable because the dust and scratches turn out white. Not to mention if you decide to have it professionally transferred, etc. it will be in that condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Tobin Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 I just got some 200T and 500T developed at Alphacine in Seattle as part of my bulk batch from Japan, and they said they didn't make positive prints of negative super8 (and they didn't know of anybody who did) I was toying with the idea of setting up to do this and inquired of Rich at Forde if they could process single strand 8mm width color positive. Rich forwarded the email to his new master at Alpha who never bothered to reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Means Posted October 18, 2006 Author Share Posted October 18, 2006 If you are using a projector or such you are asking for a nightmare. Vegas should have an invert filter/effect. The problem is in the orange mask. The film is very dense and will be very dark. Add to that the large amounts of color work you will have to do to get rid of the orange mask. You will need to be able to adjust the highlights, mids, and shadows all independently. It might be easier and not that much just to send to Spectra Film & Video and have a one-light done of all your film onto Mini-DV. At $225/hr you can go through a lot of film, 1/2 hour min. I'm not trying to talk you out of doing it on your own, just somethings you should be aware of. Anyhow if you do do it on your own it's just going to be a lot of experimenting and trial to find what works. Keep in mind that the negative will pick up a lot of dust and scratches going through a projector. It's far more noticeable because the dust and scratches turn out white. Not to mention if you decide to have it professionally transferred, etc. it will be in that condition. Yeah- I only got two rolls of negative, and for 115 it's a little much. Next time I have a big batch maybe I'll send the whole thing there though- that would actually be cheaper if I hadn't already dropped my reversal off for telecine... I'll give it a shot in Vegas and see what I come up with. Should be interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Anthony Vale Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 I suppose I could telecine the negative I have, and then flip the image in post- is that what most of you do? The image orientation on the camera negative is the same as on a camera reversal original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Hunter Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I'm using this-could-easily-look-like-crap-so-I'm-doing-this-roll-on-the-cheap telecine, so it won't be flipped for me. No colorist on this job, it's just travel footage from Japan; if there's anything I really like on it I might get it telecine'd professionally. Don't know how much telecine experience you have but, I strongly suggest that you DO NOT do this with negative!! Using a non-professional telecine is likely to ruin the film. Remember that the negative emulsion is much softer than reversal film, its very fragile and should only be put through a professional telecine designed to handle negative film. Also for reasons mentioned earlier I doubt that you will get the film to look right using vegas or any other softwear. Doing an on the cheap telecine of neg. is going to be a lose-lose situation for you. Save a little more money, wait a few weeks, and get it done right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Darling Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Yeah- I only got two rolls of negative, and for 115 it's a little much. Next time I have a big batch maybe I'll send the whole thing there though- that would actually be cheaper if I hadn't already dropped my reversal off for telecine... I'll give it a shot in Vegas and see what I come up with. Should be interesting! To make it more cost-effective. Why don't you just transfer both your negative and your revesal? Then $115 becomes a good deal both cost-wise and in quality of telecine for what you'll have to work with in the computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Means Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 To make it more cost-effective. Why don't you just transfer both your negative and your revesal? Then $115 becomes a good deal both cost-wise and in quality of telecine for what you'll have to work with in the computer. I may do just that when I get back from my band's tour... I think that makes sense; I'll have a good idea of what to expect from the other footage and I'll know if its worth doing it right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dunn Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Leo- they mean invert, as in convert neg to pos, not flip (or flop in my book). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Kodak makes pos print film for super 8 neg... but the demand in the US has not been enough for any labs to invest in it. I would love to see the 17 and 18 projected in S8, but for now i would have to send it to Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest romeo jesus Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 www.andecfilm.de in germany offers a negative to positive service for 1.15euro/meter its only one light, but I read on another forum that the results look great.. I am planning to use that service for one of my next projects christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianni Raineri Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Isn't Super 8 supposed to be flexible and easy to use? Don't be held hostage to this technology. Professionals may have to clients who pay for quality stuff, but amateurs only have to please themselves. I say videotape the projection of the negative from your projector, and damn the dust and scratches. Make them part of the experience. It's your personal home movies. If you don't like the color convert it to black and white. Use photo shop to retouch the video filmstrip .flm file. Next rant... I'm recklessly speculating now as I have yet to processed any color negative film with my DIY telecine experiments yet. I recall somebody once said that blue (flourescent correction filter or 80A 80B or 80C or 82A-B-C Type) would help with correcting the orange mask. Blue filter removes Red color. Go ahead give it a try and tell us how it works. Print out a blue OHP transparency "filter" on your inkjet printer, or get a $5.00 flourescent colour correction filter off ebay. Supposedly 10% of males are color blind, just pretend you are too and enjoy your flicks. I have processed Expired B&W Quartzchrome Super 8 Reversal as negative and telecined that, flipping it in the camcorder as negative art. Gianni in Londinium B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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