Premium Member Vincent Sweeney Posted November 3, 2011 Premium Member Share Posted November 3, 2011 Canon EOS c300 New primes and zooms to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Very much aimed at the F3 market, but it doesn't seem to have the s-log type options, but has the broadcast spec codec from the xf 300 recording onto CF. I expect people will buy 3rd party accessories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted November 3, 2011 Premium Member Share Posted November 3, 2011 Remember back when cameras made sense to go on your shoulder? Though Canon PL primes could be rather interesting. Nice to see the low-er end lens markets heat up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Keith Walters Posted November 3, 2011 Premium Member Share Posted November 3, 2011 "CEO Fujio Mitarai unveiled the product on the Paramount Pictures movie lot Thursday, saying its digital images had the warmth of film and brought out skin tones well." Quick! Quick! I've got to have one! Now! Where can I buy one! Hello? Hello?! Clack-clack-clack....Operator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Stevens Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 $16 grand. Ouch! So much for the long hoped for 5D MKIII that would resolve the terrible jello effects and moire patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brereton Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 All the 3rd party accessory manufacturers have taken one look at the ergonomics of this camera and are thinking all their Christmases have come at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Joseph Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 $16 grand seems real steep from something that doesn't seem all that new. As much as I dislike saying it, Red may have them beat with Scarlet for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Vincent Sweeney Posted November 3, 2011 Author Premium Member Share Posted November 3, 2011 I'm not seeing a real street price yet so $16k probably isn't accurate. The 1.3 prime lenses sound more interesting so far. What is the other camera, by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 What is the other camera, by the way? There are two versions, one with the Canon mount and the other with a PL mount, so chances are it's the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaron Berman Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 (edited) I'm not sure why 3rd party mfg would be any more excited about this than any of the other new s35 cams on the market (exception being Alexa or F65) - none of the new s35 chip cams have any thought of operability - jam as much in as small a package as possible and let the end user figure it out. wait no, call it "modular" and charge more for all the freedom! F3, Af100, RED, this - all suck for ergonomics. The REAL killer would be an XDCAM body with the F3 chip, but until that happens its nice to have so many compact and uncomfortable options. Including this new one. As for price, who knows, itll likely be less than 16, probably 10 or less - all rumors right now. The camera in the bg looks like a 1d body, which would make sense - the new 1dx is an EF video body - perhaps they decided to give it the red "c" now, much like sony badging "cinealta" on their 24p cams. I agree with Adrian though - the lenses look very interesting. Very usable range on the 14.5-60, nice stop - could be a killer lens. Canon HD video optics (HDXS / KLL) have superb focus feel, hope that translates to these lenses. Edited November 4, 2011 by Jaron Berman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Vincent Sweeney Posted November 4, 2011 Author Premium Member Share Posted November 4, 2011 $20k MSRP price?? A little more than steep when you consider the F3 with its better form factor and likely close matching image for a ton less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 4, 2011 Premium Member Share Posted November 4, 2011 Well, I almost flew to LA for the launch of this thing. Pleased I didn't now... It is in every respect more or less what we all expected, quineg? And yes, it needs to be sub-$10k to be a realistic proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Vincent Sweeney Posted November 4, 2011 Author Premium Member Share Posted November 4, 2011 Yeah with red doing the 35mm Scarlet, it will be a hard sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member John Sprung Posted November 4, 2011 Premium Member Share Posted November 4, 2011 I wonder if this is the only thing they have. The e-mail from the ASC said that the big deal would be the November 4 announcement. -- J.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted November 4, 2011 Premium Member Share Posted November 4, 2011 I think the F-3 is a more direct competition, as is the AF101 and the FS100. Lets face it, with RED you're going for the RAW worklow, as these cams don't really offer RAW, S-Log notwithstanding, they are designed for shoots where RED doesn't work as well or isn't needed (such as documentary, or when you need a faster turn 'round than working in RAW ect.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Joseph Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 $20k MSRP price?? A little more than steep when you consider the F3 with its better form factor and likely close matching image for a ton less. Yeah I was even more shocked when it turned out to be 20. I can't see this is as justifiable, the F3 seems far more practical than this, but it's hard to decide without seeing images yet. I also agree with Adrian, I imagine TV would be another format where high resolution and raw is significantly less necessary. Scarlet announcement should be anytime now. Also John what's supposed to be on November 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Vincent Sweeney Posted November 4, 2011 Author Premium Member Share Posted November 4, 2011 I thought the Canon stuff was on the 4th after getting an invite to their announcement for either the 4th or 5th. Maybe there's more? I don't feel like it's worth the traffic trouble though. The DSLR in the pic is bound to be a better video version of what they make now... so who is going to buy the big one for $10k+ more since a lot of people (ignorantly) think the 5/7D is already the best thing since sliced bread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Joseph Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I thought the Canon stuff was on the 4th after getting an invite to their announcement for either the 4th or 5th. Maybe there's more? I don't feel like it's worth the traffic trouble though. The DSLR in the pic is bound to be a better video version of what they make now... so who is going to buy the big one for $10k+ more since a lot of people (ignorantly) think the 5/7D is already the best thing since sliced bread? Yeah too true, most people are already settling for the 5D/7Ds ridiculous h.264 format at such a poor data rate. Red is completely down, too much traffic I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brereton Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 To crosspost from CML, the Scarlet data is as follows: SCARLET is: 5K still, 4K motion camera 5K - up to 12fps, 6fps HDRX 4K - 4096 x 2160 - from 1 - 25fps, HDRx - 12fps 4K QuadHD - up to 30fps 3K - to 48fps 2K - to 60fps 1K - to 120fps Configuration... BRAIN + Side SSD + Canon Aluminum mount - shipping Dec. 1. BRAIN + Side SSD + Titanium PL Mount - shipping Nov. 17. SCARLET - same form factor as EPIC with a very few changes: Grey instead of Black No Ribs - smooth Every accessory for EPIC works for SCARLET. It is the same sensor as in EPIC. PRICE - US$ 9,750 - for brain, side SSD + Canon Aluminum Mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colum O Dwyer Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 How soon until Canon 'adjust' their pricing after the Scarlet announcement? Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Joseph Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 How soon until Canon 'adjust' their pricing after the Scarlet announcement? Hmmm. I am surprised I'm even saying this, but Scarlet undoubtedly blows the Canon announcement out of the water. Canon would have only been impressive at DSLR price point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 4, 2011 Premium Member Share Posted November 4, 2011 My only opinion with regard to these constant comparisons with what Red are doing is that the Canon device is, at least, made by people who won't scream at you in a fit of pique on the internet then ban you from the support forum if you happen to, say, walk past the office and cough in an offensive manner. My confidence in Canon as a manufacturer is immeasurably higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colum O Dwyer Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I am surprised I'm even saying this, but Scarlet undoubtedly blows the Canon announcement out of the water. Canon would have only been impressive at DSLR price point. I think Canon have surprised everyone for the wrong reasons. The C300 would be the DeLorean of the HD camera world. If it wasnt for the Scarlet coming with an EF mount as standard you could suppose 5D/7D users would migrate, but it seems the only thing that would make that happen now is Scarlet back-orders and RED-hate. Mind you, it's footage isn't without merit: My confidence in Canon as a manufacturer is immeasurably higher. Mine would be too if it wasn't for the snails-pace at which Canon came to the video world. Putting a 5D sensor into an XL body (over simplifying of course) shouldve been a no-brainer 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Joseph Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 My only opinion with regard to these constant comparisons with what Red are doing is that the Canon device is, at least, made by people who won't scream at you in a fit of pique on the internet then ban you from the support forum if you happen to, say, walk past the office and cough in an offensive manner. My confidence in Canon as a manufacturer is immeasurably higher. That support forum is a whole other animal, I only went round to it for the announcement and I'm not all that keen on going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Drysdale Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Mine would be too if it wasn't for the snails-pace at which Canon came to the video world. Putting a 5D sensor into an XL body (over simplifying of course) shouldve been a no-brainer 2 years ago. No point in putting a 5d sensor into a XL body, the sensor was one of the problems with that camera for shooting video. The C300 doesn't seem to have created many waves, the Scarlet and the cheap hand cranked camera seem to have done that. It'll need to produce more impressive images than the F3 to make an impact, but the main problem is the price at $20K, although the street price will actually be lower I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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