Nicholas Kovats Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) Presenting my Bolex UltraPan8 film of last year's 4th annual Mayday bicycle charity race for the Bicycle Messenger Emergency Fund found at bicyclemessenger.org. This year's Mayday 2014 race and events can be found here, i.e. https://www.facebook.com/events/649322915104108/?ref_dashboard_filter=upcoming metadata: camera = Bolex UltraPan8 2.8 camera_re-manufacturing = Jean-Louis Seguin bolextech@gmail.com lens = 5.9mm Angenieux retrofocus exposure = T11-T22 frame_rate = 48 film = Kodak Vision3 color negative 200T film_re-manufacturing = Edward Nowill edwardnowill@gmail.com lab = Niagara Custom scan = John Gledhill bitworks.org Edited April 21, 2014 by Nicholas Kovats 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jeremy Cavanagh Posted April 21, 2014 Premium Member Share Posted April 21, 2014 I have to confess I've looked at Ultrapan8 as a play thing, to produce pretty pictures, thoughtful and artistic maybe but not narrative. This completely changed my perception. Gorgeous. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Gladstone Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Just watched it on a 4k tv and it really looks great! I just wish vimeo would do higher bitrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Kovats Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 Thank you, Jeremy. It continues to be a labour of love. More to come. I have to confess I've looked at Ultrapan8 as a play thing, to produce pretty pictures, thoughtful and artistic maybe but not narrative. This completely changed my perception. Gorgeous. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Kovats Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) Thanks, Josh. I keep fantasizing the same thing. Can you try downloading the original .mp4 file and let me know how it compares on your 4K TV? Right hand click in Windows on the Original link below and save as. × Download mayday! HD .MP4 file (1280x394 / 78MB) SD .MP4 file (640x196 / 25MB) Original .MP4 file (2532x780 / 760MB) Just watched it on a 4k tv and it really looks great! I just wish vimeo would do higher bitrates Edited April 21, 2014 by Nicholas Kovats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Gladstone Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Let me first say it does look great. At a reasonable sitting distance, all of the issues I'm about to list are much less noticeable. However, looking at it up close, say 2-3 feet away, the compression is noticeably blocky and really very unforgiving with the grain. There are sections where the encoded grain in the image seems to almost 'dance' or 'breathe' as opposed to being randomly organic every frame. And the reds in people's skin tones, the blacks in the tires, and just all the details in general get blotched all together in little squareish blobs. And it's a shame because you can tell that the detail really is there on the film, it just gets killed in the compression. Now again, sitting 6 or 7 feet away from the tv, these things are much less noticeable. At this viewing distance and screen size (it's a 39" display), while it's not as sharp as something projected on film, it is very passable, and you really only notice the encoding blobs if you're looking for them. Was this the original file you got from bitworks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Kovats Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) Josh, The 100 ft scanned roll generated a 12.3 GB JPEG image sequence consisting of 7,849 scanned frames that were 2532 x 780 x 24 bit depth each. This was imported into my NLE, edited, cropped then transcoded to a smaller MP4. Edited April 29, 2014 by Nicholas Kovats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Gladstone Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Well, if you want to export a ProRes file or a higher bit-rate mp4 and upload it to a file hosting website, I'd be happy to compare it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Kovats Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Hi Josh, I'll see what I can do over the weekend. What bit-rates are you looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Gladstone Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Whatever you can get me really, even if it's just a few seconds of footage. I do 100000kbps h264 for 2k video when I upload to youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedemann Wachsmuth Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Kovats Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 Thank you, Friedemann. I am looking forward to more Logmar footage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted May 20, 2014 Premium Member Share Posted May 20, 2014 Explain - I'm behind the times here - is this a between-the-sprockets image, or an anamorphic lens, or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brereton Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Phil, http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=52752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Kovats Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Phil, It is as you call it a "between-the-sprockets image". It utilizes the full 16mm width of Regular 8 perfed film and the classic 8 mm pulldown...half the frame height of a standard 16mm frame. Optically centered and double the run time per 100 ft roll of R8 (5 min as opposed to 2.5 min). It shoots the optical center of any standard 16mm optic. The example above is reperfed V3 200T color negative. Edited May 20, 2014 by Nicholas Kovats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted May 20, 2014 Premium Member Share Posted May 20, 2014 Oh, okay. Isn't that effectively as expensive as 16, though? P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dunn Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Surely half the running time of 8mm., because you don't turn the film over? Do you mean double the RT of 16mm.? Phil, no, same frame height as 8mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Louis Seguin Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 There are 80 frames per foot so it's the same running time as regular-8 which is double the running time of 16mm. Jean-Louis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Looper Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Great work. The colour grade is interesting. Subdued blues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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