Robin R Probyn

oh right sorry.. yes down to 1250 I believe.. due to the global shutter stuff on the sensor.. hope the grain was ok.. I would put NR up to high in those situations.. its pretty good and doesn't make the image soft..

Hi Tyler That might be an older article if they're referencing F3,s.. I pretty sure the latest program he has done is XAVC.. but even if it is XDCAM 422 HD.. that would also make a point in itself.. these shows look fantastic and have been universally praised for their look.. which would support my argument.. that even that codec can look very good in the right hands.. acquisition and post.. as he says we have a great colorist .. maybe you need to read up on what their colorist can do with this crap codec.. Although you are typically moving the goal posts :).. that show was introduced in the first place to prove that the F5 is a very usable run and gun camera ..as a fact.. not about codec .. the main point that you now seem to conveniently totally ignore .. do you still think the F5 is not a run and gun camera ..based on your extensive use of that camera.. BTW C300 doesnt record XAVC..this could be why your post skills are letting you down.. :)

Hi Satsuki Well it is 2000 ISO native which is pretty high..well.. many say it is too high ! and that 1000 is more like it ..:).. when its just too dark you have to get off the zooms . and need T1.4 primes..

Im not really a Sony devotee.. I had a Pana HDX900 for years.. loved the look way more than Sony.. but thats the thing .. with Cine EI,and burning in LUT,s .. you dont have to have the Sony 709 look anymore.. Im not talking about engaging the filter wheel in shot .. no ones doing that.. but to have them internal just has to be faster than putting them into a mattbox,carrying them around and keeping them clean.. plus you often want more than 2.. The reason doc,s are not shot RAW is not because they dont care.. but the data would be massive.. totally un work able..and not needed for TV .. as well as XDCAM 422 HD.. the Bourdain program and nearly all the "up market" stuff is shot XAVC which is 10 bit 422 HD,either burning in a LUT or Slog3.cine.. this gives alot of leeway for grading .. for TV anyway..and as good as any 422 pro res.. but alot more efficient.. or XAVC 4K internal.. Im shooting way more on XAVC than XDCAM.. maybe its the problem with the DP,s shooting the material you are dealing with rather than the codec,s.. My point was per the OP.. you made a sweeping comment that the F5 was not a R&G camera.. based it seems by your own admission that you had shot "A few" interviews with it.. Ive shot probably a thousand interviews with it.. and alot of R&G over 2 years .. from jungles to the arctic .. from Raffles hotels to Max security prisons in Denmark.. its most certainly a run and gun camera.. yet still you dont want to believe it.. I really wonder why.. ? I would not advise anyone about resolve or the Alexa Studio.. because know F**k all about them.. if you can see where Im going here :)

TBH I wouldn't say the F7 is ready to be shoulder used.. that little pad at the back is for pushing into the front of your shoulder type thing.. with a broadcast zoom you need a shoulder rig..if not there wouldn't be so many 3rd party ones around.. you say you can change ND filters in a mattbox same time as string up a tripod.. but its the opposite we are talking about ? not on a tripod..thats the thing.. you dont have time to set up a tripod and you really dont have time to be swapping and most likely needing to clean ND filters. with the camera on your knee.. sorry but your really wrong with this tack... it really is a pain to not have internal ND filters in anything but controlled settings.. I dont think any doc camera person would deny that.. maybe you haven't really had to shoot on the hoof,or you would never say its not a pain :).. Not many doc,s shot in RAW . or need to be.. although the F5 has 16 bit RAW if you want it.. with the RAW recorder..The BBC Nat history unit is pretty much the top end of that field.. an we were shooting 4K XAVC Slog3.cine.. but I guess your work is on a higher level.. (maybe you could expand )..that wouldn't be good enough.. but for 99.9 % of doc,s thats way good enough.. get your exposures right in the first place you wont be screwed with out RAW..: :) Check out the Bourdain shoots on line.. they go in and shoot all hand held.. he hates waiting around .. despite what you might think..the reality is the f5 is a very use able doc run and gun camera.. I own one ..I know..there are a ton of crews all around the world using it R&G.. Ive pointed out a high profile extreme R&G show you can check out the Dp,s online,which looks fantastic.. but no .still you will argue having used it once or twice. by your admission in a non run and gun situation.. really what gives with you man.. Its ok to be wrong Tyler.. its character building.. :)

As an owner of the F5 for 2 years I would not agree sir.. the only thing better with the Fs7 is the XLR input position.. which is not good with the F5.. although L shape XLR plugs pretty much minimizes it.. the big difference is the F5 has the side LCD ,hot buttons,and now with V7.1 the "quick menu function"..you can change pretty much everything except S&Q without going into menu,s.. the Fs7 has no exterior menu /LCD.. everything is menu..(it has assign buttons off course like the F5) but you are often having to go into the menu,s to change settings.. also without the optional back unit.. no TC in or out.. not ideal for the now ubiquitous sound devices ! and no way to use V mount batts.. the EVFLoupe set up is not good out of the box.. but alot of 3rd party options now.. Both need a decent shoulder/tripod base plate.. I assure you I have been running and gunning around like a mad man with my F5.. all over the world..it has been perfect literally from the equator (Singapore)to the arctic circle. (Svalbard) and parts in-between .. and if its used on Bourdain shoots.. then its run and gun ! if ever there were an acid test.. Trouble with the Ursa mini for doc work is lack of internal ND.. this is a HUGE pain in the backside for doc shooting.. Re pro res Im from the other side .. I think its an old very inefficient,data hungry codec,originally an edit only codec..but has become entrenched and holding back the advancement of better codec,s.. its like Windows and VHS.. out with it.. !! :)

very diplomatic sir.. C300 is designed to ,look like a kettle rather than maybe.. a camera..! .. and then they did it twice .. good lenses but they should forget cameras IMHO..they do alot of weird things.. C300II has centre crop but only in off speed.. even 24/25/30p.. but only off speed so no audio .. why ??

Yes ... Im not shooting drama,s for Netflix just a corp video.. ! and actually for my work its been the corp video,s that were the first to go 4K,never for delivery.. that 100% HD.. but for getting two shots on the interviews.. stabilizing ,zoom,pans etc.. but this "use" of 4K could become more wide spread into broadcast.. but sure if you dont need it .. an Amira would be nice :)

Ok thanks.. I guess i would be concerned about 4K.. there a very good argument thats is a load of bollocks for corp/ tv work.. but more and more I get asked for it..(fortunately I did the upgrade on my F5 when it came out.. thank you Paul Ream !).. I have a fairly simple corp shoot for Netflix, and they have requested 4K.. had I paid out for an Amira/Alexa.. I might be worried.. it has the up res but Im not sure how long prod co,s will buy that.. even though we know its looks fantastic.. when they are ticking off box,s on a piece of paper in an office..well its not really 4K..

Hi Dave I have the F5/CN7 combo.. and would agree the CN7 is a better choice than the Cab(which I used alot before buying the CN7).. better range,much easier self focus throw (180 degree,s.). macro.. both are pricey and heavy but both are very high spec.. the older Cab,s are not "4K" spec.. what ever that means in reality .. but are a bit cheaper because of it.. These are great for general Doc work.. and you can double the FV with centre crop function with F5/55 and now the Fs7 too.. if you are not needing to shoot 4K.. I have shot for the BBC Bristol Nat History unit.. (F55/4K) but I was doing general doc stuff.. the specialist guys had much longer lenses along with these zooms..as Adrian points out.. Canon have the nat history DP dream lens..50-1000 with a doubler.. but thats really expensive.. so stills lenses probably better option.. and a very good 150mm bowl tripod ! F5 is very good on power consumption .. a draw back being no LUT when shooting off speed.. (or play back ) which all the stuff we did was.. alot of people have gone over the Zacuto gratical EVF. which has internal LUT,s.. but its a good bang for the buck..and some second hand ones around now..

Hi Mark what are you getting next.. ? if you dont mind me asking..

A good point.. the F5 is a better camera..(except for the XLR in put location).. and there are quite a few second man ones around now.. but they will only record 4K internal if they have had the $1,000 official Sony up grade.. although I think nearly every owner has done that up grade..

You do know that BBC stands for Broken Biscuit Company..

Just chanced upon this film on netflix.. great film.. and the camera work is fantastic.. wow great lighting all through.. Ian Baker.. shame this film wasn't a big hit.. highly recommended .. if I could light like that !

Incorrect sir.. Slog3 actually gives more data in the shadow,s.. (Slog 2 gives more to highlights).. thats why there appears to be alot of noise before grading .. before the black levels are taken down..

Hi Jimmy As Tyler says above re spec,s.. but what has changed alot is that 2/3 inch chip camera,s have gone out of style for alot of Discovery/natgeo etc doc,s. in my experience anyway ..nearly all has gone over to s35mm single sensor camera,s.. C300 used to be king when it was the only 50 Mbps s35mm "cheap" camera around... now I would think its the Sony Fs7.. with F5/55.. C300 (I &II).. BM..Amira.. and RED.. I managed to sell my HDX900 (cheaply),which was a very popular camera for Dis/Natgeo etc..but could hardly give the lenses away ! If you want to get into that market I would suggest the Fs7 is best bang for the buck.. but decent lenses will cost ..new camera,s are coming out all the time though..

I think I predicted this film would be rubbish way back.. :)

But Ari.. there is something to be said for experience .. and that is usually by people older than you.. who have over time gained.. yes ..experience . And added to that neither you or Tom are actually DP,s.. you dont have the experience,and in Tom case,to know what he is talking about.. he has not shot a feature film,or light any big star,s, or dealt with their "people".. and he just wont except he's wrong.. and it frustrates people who are trying to advise a brick wall.. If I were a Cellist in a local amateur orchestra .. I would probably look a bit stupid if I met YoYo Ma and started to give him advise abut how he could play better.. but if I was a guy who worked at the factory .. that made the strings for Cello,s.. and I started advising YoYo Ma... I would be a total W**ker..

Yes all true.. but technically its a rolling shutter.. no..?

But film camera is also rolling shutter ?

"I don't like people looking at monitors and judging the work while chatting on set and that's a way of telling them." Tom your really riding for a fall man...if you ever get near a professional set ,even as a loader.. you will be crucified with your attitude.. please listen to professional guys who are being very patient with you .. they are trying to help you..

A US crew then..

Rob.. get an F5.. has monitor LUT,s in camera.. :)

Yes I wonder.. apart from the obvious pressure,and talent to be in that situation in the first place.. is it actually easier to make things look good when you have almost literally any lighting set up at your disposal .. compared to everyone else going to the cinema and seeing these images and trying to re react them.. with a torch,a piece of string,tin foil .. and in the US only .. C stands..

Ive only seen the trailer.. but we did shoot in some interesting places.. a prison and one of those seed vaults.. amongst others .. hope your Misses will enjoy it sir.. alot of snow by the end episodes !