Max Field Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Have 1 or 2 in my "to buy" list but I was wondering if any other tungstens compete with these lights at a cheaper price? Most probable use is either commercial shoots or small scale cinema sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted January 18, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted January 18, 2016 might be able to find some used Moles or Arri on e bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Daffarn Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Sales Pitch Alert - We manufacture the products I am going to recommend below Please check out our web site and in particular this page - http://www.photonbeard.com/frensel.html As we probably were the last manufacturer to make a new range of tungsten heads we were able to use the most modern techniques so for example the bodies are all made from laser cut aluminium which means they are lighter than most whilst still being strong. Similarly we used the best reflector material we could find so the light output is higher than our competitors. We also have open face options (Redheads and Blondes) which are available as single heads or in kits with stands. In the US please contact : Pete Challinger PM Tech - US Operations for Photon Beard 4096 Rowles Rd Vina, CA, 96092 T: (+1) 530-267-0822 M: (+1) 530-200-0295 LA (+1) 818-237-4257 Contact e-mail: petec@photonbeard.com Contact e-mail: petec@pmtech.com Website: http://pmtech.com Webshop https://pmtech.myshopify.com/ End of pitch..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinton Weiskittel Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?343524-Arri-650-Kit-1600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Field Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?343524-Arri-650-Kit-1600 Only have the money for 1 650 as of right now. If you'd be willing to just part with one we could talk something out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Bill DiPietra Posted January 18, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted January 18, 2016 This topic comes up at least twice a month. The bottom line is that the brand name lights and the "cheaper alternatives" both have drawbacks. With brand name lights, you ultimately get a better product. The drawback is the cost but if you take care them, they last. I bought my first ARRI 650w about 15 years ago and I've never had a single issue with it. Although I don't have direct experience with the knock-off fresnels, I've heard all sorts of safety horror stories. So I just think it makes more sense to spend money for something that is going to last and perform properly, rather than skimp on the cost only to wind up with something that may or may not work very well or long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Hartman Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) If you buy far east ARRI counterfeits, at the very least you can expect to have to re-wire them. If you'd consider a different USA make, I have two B&M 650's I'd consider letting go. Complete, barndoors, scrims, working globes plus one new globe. Edited January 19, 2016 by JD Hartman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jay Young Posted January 19, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted January 19, 2016 I picked up an LTM pepper 650 for $40 the other day on Ebay. Someone recently said the LTM's are about 1/2 stop dimmer than the Arri's, and concluded that it came down to lens design. I've measured real Arri's 300 and 650 and I can't find them to be any "better" than an LTM. I have not experienced the As-Arri but I'm sure they're fine once some standards are built into them. Picked up a crazy 1K from Italy that I'll have to gut and rebuild as no one can figure out what kind of socket is broken inside it - however it was $30! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Picked up a crazy 1K from Italy that I'll have to gut and rebuild as no one can figure out what kind of socket is broken inside it - however it was $30! Is it a QuartzColour? What can you tell us about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jay Young Posted January 19, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted January 19, 2016 Is it a QuartzColour? What can you tell us about it? Freya, It IS a QuartzColour! Polaris Quartzcolor 260 Model The problem with this one is the ceramic has cracked, as I understand is common for that model, but I can't find a replacement. It also came with a g12 base to convert, but that means disassembling the entire lamp and drilling into aluminum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Hiya Jay, QuartzColour was bought out by Strand here in the UK and QuartzColour lights were very common in the TV industry here in thee UK. So it's kind of not as obscure as you think. :) Here is a link to some data: http://www.theatrecrafts.com/archive/lanterns/q_polaris.html Freya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) I think the socket is maybe a G22. Sadly it's very expensive. Does this look right: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SOCKET-for-OSRAM-SYLVANIA-G22-NO-LEADS-UPC-046135693717-/141827875378?hash=item210599a232:g:6osAAOSwMTZWRk2o If it is a G22 maybe knowing what it is will help you to find one cheaper. Freya Edited January 19, 2016 by Freya Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Daffarn Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 If anyone is interested I do have some used Quartzcolor 2kW P/O fresnels for sale in very condition for used. They can be found here - https://projectsdepartment.wazala.com/products/2kw-castor/ The photo is one that is actually for sale and the other 4 are in similar condition. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Looks like there are other names for it than G22 too: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OSRAM-socket-G22-EGN-EGR-EGT-EFX-HMI575-lamp-holder-/191713099688?hash=item2ca2fdbfa8:g:-2EAAOSw~bFWGYyY Not sure if that listing is cheaper! Freya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 If anyone is interested I do have some used Quartzcolor 2kW P/O fresnels for sale in very condition for used. They can be found here - https://projectsdepartment.wazala.com/products/2kw-castor/ The photo is one that is actually for sale and the other 4 are in similar condition. Peter See it's not just me. High quality movie lights from Italy = QuartzColour! :) Freya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Daffarn Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Freya - as an ex Strand employee who has sold and installed Quartzcolor all over the world I would agree to a large extent that they were very good products. Although the HMI range was never quite as good as it should have been..... Quartzcolor is still around and is now owned by Cosmolight. I have limited experience of the current range but it is mostly LED now. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jay Young Posted January 19, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted January 19, 2016 Unfortunately, the G22 base is not an option at the moment (more drilling). The fixture contains a bi-pin ceramic socket, held together with a bolt and wingnut. One of the ceramic pieces has cracked but up till now no one has any clue about this particular socket. Shown below with broken ceramic removed from the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Daffarn Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Jay, Have you tried contacting these people - http://www.planetbulb.com/lampholders/ Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Does the lamp look like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CP93-230-240V-1200W-G22-/400911657013?hash=item5d58326835:g:EucAAOSwYIhWi~66 Freya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jay Young Posted January 19, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted January 19, 2016 Does the lamp look like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CP93-230-240V-1200W-G22-/400911657013?hash=item5d58326835:g:EucAAOSwYIhWi~66 Freya Yes, I believe that lamp would fit. And I can replace the lampholder, but that again requires disassembly... unless I can find a tiny drill HA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Freya - as an ex Strand employee who has sold and installed Quartzcolor all over the world I would agree to a large extent that they were very good products. Okay, you worked for strand and I have an unhealthy obsession with bargain basement lighting kit. ;) All the same I have some Quartcolor lamps and the quality is noticeably a league better than their cheap chinese counterparts. Freya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Yes, I believe that lamp would fit. And I can replace the lampholder, but that again requires disassembly... unless I can find a tiny drill HA! Ouch,so it's a G22 compatible lamp holder that is very different from the osram one available? Freya Edited January 19, 2016 by Freya Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Hartman Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 From my experience with LTM fixtures on set, Fresnel, open face,, HMI, LTM=crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jay Young Posted January 19, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) So here's what I ended up with. After contacting about 15 companies today, they all responded saying they did not have the part. So i fit a G9.5 socket which will allow me to use 1000w globes. Of course the main issue is that the original lampholder held the globe higher up than the new one will. as you can see in the picture below. This is easy to remove should I ever find the proper socket. I may pick up one of those G22 bases, tho that will require permanent modification. Edited January 20, 2016 by Jay Young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Hartman Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Looks like a socket for an FEL globe. Put a square of aluminum between the socket and the lamp carriage to elevate it and bring the filament center to the correct position in the reflector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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