Max Field Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) Hey everyone, I know we usually talk about motion pictures, but I figured there would be some crossover in disciplines since a lot of corporate gigs will require video and stills done on the same shoot. I have not looked into digital stills cameras in about 10 years. Are there any with awesome digital 35mm sensors which avoid ugly RGB clipping and have a lovely highlight roll off? If my only job is still I usually bring out film and scan 4K however that isn't always time-friendly. Thanks for any thoughts! Edited September 15 by Max Field typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Jin Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 The nature of digital means that at least with raw files there is going to be no roll off built in. But of course the method of processing within the editing software of your choice can add curves or highlight recovery to your file when debayered which can help with highlight roll off. And to be completely honest in terms of sensor performance stills cameras has plateaued in the last 10 years, all the fullframe sensors have been on the 14 stops range since the original nikon d800. So it's more about the functionality of each different camera, like autofocus, burst speed, ergonomics etc. And since most modern cameras are so clean, I personally underexpose 3-4 stops when shooting at base iso of 64 or 100 to preserve more highlight detail like film. And convert the raw files from my stills camera to DNG and grade them in davinci as I can debayer it in log and do much more in terms of grading and film emulation. I'd say if you are attracted to the film workflow, look at second hand Fuji gfx cameras as they have gotten pretty cheap, and of course has film simulation that are very pretty, the larger sensor is also cool, with some FF vintage lenses being able to cover it as well. Also I believe metabones and kipon sells speed boosters for the gfx cameras to get a full 645 fov, so u can fully utilize medium format glass if you're into that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Berger Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Since you're talking corporate gigs, I'm amazed they even get you time sometimes to shoot film, process and scan. Personally I'd stick to it if I could. Nothing my Minolta can't handle. If not, look up the Fujifilm GFX 100S and Leica M10-R. Those two always give excellent stills, especially, Fujifilm’s Film Simulation modes (such as Provia, Velvia, and Astia) have incredible resemblance to classic film stocks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim D. Ghantous Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 If you want my opinion, shoot RAW and underexpose so you never clip the highlights. Then bring it up in a RAW editor of your choice. Don't worry about pixel hygiene. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted September 16 Premium Member Share Posted September 16 The Canon 5DMKIV is probably your best bet, color science AND price. Do not buy one of the newer ones, I'm horribly dissatisfied with the ones I've tested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Field Posted September 16 Author Share Posted September 16 (edited) 11 hours ago, Karim D. Ghantous said: If you want my opinion, shoot RAW and underexpose so you never clip the highlights. Then bring it up in a RAW editor of your choice. Don't worry about pixel hygiene. I've been shooting raw but have still ran into RGB clipping with party gels Versus when I shoot hard party gels with film and the rolloff is magnificent Edited September 16 by Max Field sent too early by accident 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted September 16 Premium Member Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, Max Field said: I've been shooting raw but have still ran into RGB clipping with party gels Welcome to CMOS! LOL What camera is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Field Posted September 16 Author Share Posted September 16 1 minute ago, Tyler Purcell said: Welcome to CMOS! LOL What camera is this? The digital camera is Canon 5Dmk2 The film stock one is Kodak Gold 200 (2 decades expired) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted September 16 Premium Member Share Posted September 16 6 minutes ago, Max Field said: The digital camera is Canon 5Dmk2 The film stock one is Kodak Gold 200 (2 decades expired) Ohhhh Hmm, the 5DMKIV is a way better imager, night and day. The R6MKII is an even larger jump forward, but the "filmic" aspects, is kinda tough with the new Canon color science. I find we have to do a lot more post work with the R5 (same color science as the R6) vs the 5D's. Tho I will admit, I haven't shot with the MKIV before. Only the 2 and 3. This is an example of the edge of highlight clipping, but notice the details in the warmer tones with the R5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Jin Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 5 hours ago, Max Field said: I've been shooting raw but have still ran into RGB clipping with party gels Versus when I shoot hard party gels with film and the rolloff is magnificent In terms of latitude, most modern sensors will be at least 2-3 stops better then the 5Dii, both in highlight and shadows you will see much more range. But the nature of the digital formats means that once you go out of gamut or clip one of your channels it's still gonna inevitably going to look harsh. But having a newer camera with more range means that you can underexpose a lot more to avoid that from happening. Rolling off the curve in post also helps with the appearance of the clipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albion Hockney Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 the new cameras are way better then the 5Dii —but film is still film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon O'Brien Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Interesting how the higher the tech gets with digital the more we see just how powerfully compelling the performance of film is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Berger Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 3 hours ago, Jon O'Brien said: Interesting how the higher the tech gets with digital the more we see just how powerfully compelling the performance of film is. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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