Guest Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I notice a lot of people across the web are spelling it "gimble" for gear that stabilizes a camera. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Aapo Lettinen Posted November 28, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted November 28, 2019 is "gimble" even a real word? ("Kimble" is a popular board game sold here but I don't know what a heck the "gimble" is ? ) It goes to the same category than "Cannon" lenses and "Arryflex" cameras and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Dom Jaeger Posted November 28, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted November 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, aapo lettinen said: is "gimble" even a real word? Sure it’s a word! First stanza of Lewis Carrol’s poem “Jabberwocky”: T’was brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogroves, And the mome raths outgrabe. https://poets.org/poem/jabberwocky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Satsuki Murashige Posted November 28, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted November 28, 2019 Welcome back, Richard! And congrats on the new film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Justin Hayward Posted November 29, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted November 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Richard Boddington said: There is always catering of course, don't have a choice in the matter. I like to point out to people in film, I worked for a giant corporation for 5 years. Total number of times my employer bought me lunch = zero times. They made you buy your own lunch, with this thing they gave you called a pay cheque. They also made you pay for your own travel expenses to and from work each day. R, Welcome back! It's funny, when I got my first PA job on a movie shoot many many years ago, my family and friends were most impressed by the fact that I was provided free lunch. They had never heard of anything like that.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin R Probyn Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Richard Boddington said: There is always catering of course, don't have a choice in the matter. I like to point out to people in film, I worked for a giant corporation for 5 years. Total number of times my employer bought me lunch = zero times. They made you buy your own lunch, with this thing they gave you called a pay cheque. They also made you pay for your own travel expenses to and from work each day. R, Full time employment .. or contract .. regular pay check ..same location each day.. same commute..subsidized canteen.. restaurants close by.. film crew ..not the same working environment, employment conditions.. my next shoot is in Cambodia .. from Tokyo.. I should pay the airfare ..? .. if I have to pay for my own lunch, I will find a restaurant I want , or can afford in that area.. might take me 3 hours to get back to the location.. .. so you would not supply catering if you had a choice .. and make crews pay their commute to set .. you will have to do even more crew positions than now sir ..I doubt anyone will turn up.. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Justin Hayward said: Welcome back! It's funny, when I got my first PA job on a movie shoot many many years ago, my family and friends were most impressed by the fact that I was provided free lunch. They had never heard of anything like that.? Exactly Justin, exactly. Here in Ontario they have a rather bizarre rule for film people, if Toronto people have to commute out of Toronto for work, they get paid gas, mileage, etc. If a non Toronto person needs to commute into Toronto for film work, they get paid nothing for travel. This has always struck me as bizarre, to say that the Toronto film crowd are an entitled bunch would be the understatement of the year! R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Robin R Probyn said: ..I doubt anyone will turn up.. ? Yaaaawwwwwwn. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin R Probyn Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Richard Boddington said: Yaaaawwwwwwn. R, Film crews should pay for meals and their travel... Yaaaawwwwn ... just couldn't let this oft suggested gem go without comment .. its usually from far less experienced, first time producers .. seriously I don't think any "real" crew would put up with that .. and you most likely have to shoot the film yourself ? and save money ! Edited November 29, 2019 by Robin R Probyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Connolly Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Is "food Vs no food" the new "digital Vs film?" There are dangerous waters, but I guess we should only feed the cast and crew 1940's tins of spam because thats was Chris Nolan does. Deakins is a traitor for demanding vegetables... This forum is so Polarising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Aapo Lettinen Posted November 29, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted November 29, 2019 42 minutes ago, Phil Connolly said: Is "food Vs no food" the new "digital Vs film?" hungry and frustrated crew makes better art, just watch all the great shoestring indie productions out there :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Aapo Lettinen Posted November 29, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, aapo lettinen said: hungry and frustrated crew makes better art, just watch all the great shoestring indie productions out there ? in the past they tortured animals to make the art better but current laws don't enable that so torturing people must do. Everyone knows that there is no art without suffering.... otherwise it would just be a good movie. no survival story to market it to the audience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin R Probyn Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) Anyone posting that great suggestion on a forum for film crew,s has to except some come back .. although Im sure it would be fine fodder on the producer s forums.. ? Edited November 29, 2019 by Robin R Probyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 29, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted November 29, 2019 12 hours ago, Robin R Probyn said: Full time employment .. or contract .. regular pay check ..same location each day.. same commute..subsidized canteen.. restaurants close by.. Holiday pay, sick pay, notice given if you're to be let go, extra money if they let you go under certain circumstances, massively tax-advantageous pension arrangements, maternity or paternity leave, provided equipment, provided premises, provided insurance, provided training, and easy recourse to meaningful employment law if someone tries to screw you over. I think some categories of film crew get paid pretty well for doing, usually, not that much. The majority of freelancers in 2019, though, are better described as working in the gig economy - people who would have had full time jobs under many other circumstances, even in the film industry in decades gone by. The treatment of these people, usually those least able to object, can be absolutely horrific, and even good employers are often guilty of simply assuming highly trained people will be available at the drop of a hat, to the be dropped and not used for months. The wellbeing of these people is always someone else's problem. The idea that businesses who use freelancers do not get an incredibly good deal out of them - most of the time - is absurd. P 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Dom Jaeger Posted November 29, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted November 29, 2019 8 hours ago, Richard Boddington said: Yaaaawwwwwwn. R, You really need to stop editing and get some sleep Richard! By the way, the peasants are revolting beyond the castle walls.. something about a lack of food.. shall I remind them who’s boss by releasing the hounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Hey Phil, how are you? Nice to e-see you. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 29 minutes ago, Dom Jaeger said: You really need to stop editing and get some sleep Richard! By the way, the peasants are revolting beyond the castle walls.. something about a lack of food.. shall I remind them who’s boss by releasing the hounds? Maybe I should stop insisting I eat on a riser on set? ? R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Dom Jaeger Posted November 29, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted November 29, 2019 Well you could stop wearing the jodhpurs and riding crop perhaps, but what’s the point of being a producer/director if you can’t squint from a great height down upon your minions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The Rolls Royce is probably galling to some people as well. At least I drive myself. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 29, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Richard Boddington said: Hey Phil, how are you? Nice to e-see you. R, Alive and full of organs. How goes the thing we discussed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Greene Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just curious Richard. At this budget level, and shooting in Canada, did you sign a union contract for this show? And for those here that are interested, if one shoots on a studio lot in Hollywood, there is no lunch provided to the crew when working "normal" daytime hours. And, when I was starting out... "craft service" was coffee and donuts and a can to pay for what one took, at least on a studio sound stage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 55 minutes ago, Bruce Greene said: Just curious Richard. At this budget level, and shooting in Canada, did you sign a union contract for this show? Oh yes, all of them, SAG, ACTRA, DGC, IA667. Huge bonds put up for each, only one of which came back untouched. BTW, the DGC, of which I am not a member, made me pay $2, 500.00 to be a permittee to direct my OWN MOVIE. Now if that is not the essence of stupidity, I don't know what is? Just a very small smidgen of the BS I have to deal with to get a movie made. They also wanted me to pay fringes on my own editor fee, after a meeting with the producer, the editor suddenly agreed to a 95% pay cut. ? R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Phil Rhodes said: How goes the thing we discussed? Still my number one priority. Taking a bit longer to find a viable finance model than I had hoped. So, now I have one, possibly two projects jumping in ahead. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Connolly Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Richard Boddington said: Oh yes, all of them, SAG, ACTRA, DGC, IA667. Huge bonds put up for each, only one of which came back untouched. BTW, the DGC, of which I am not a member, made me pay $2, 500.00 to be a permittee to direct my OWN MOVIE. Now if that is not the essence of stupidity, I don't know what is? Just a very small smidgen of the BS I have to deal with to get a movie made. They also wanted me to pay fringes on my own editor fee, after a meeting with the producer, the editor suddenly agreed to a 95% pay cut. ? R, If you join the DGA would they force you to pay yourself more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil Connolly said: If you join the DGA would they force you to pay yourself more? You mean as editor? I only have to make minimum wage whether I am a union member or a permittee. And they base their fringes on the base pay, so, in these situations you simply show them a budget where the editor makes minimum wage and somehow magically manages to complete an entire feature film edit in only three days. Damn that guy is fast! ? R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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