Patrick Cooper Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 On 8/16/2022 at 6:19 AM, Giray Izcan said: The format itself doesn't yield sharp and stable images regardless of the lens etc. Oh and it will cost you just as much as shooting on 16. Obviously, 16mm will provide higher quality footage compared to super 8 (especially true when shooting the same film stock in both formats.) There is no argument to that. But I wouldn't say that super 8 is incapable of producing sharp imagery. Yes, there is lots of soft super footage out there in existance. But there is a lot of sharp super 8 footage too. It's not going to look as sharp as 16mm but on the other hand, I wouldn't call it unsharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giray Izcan Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 50d with a good camera/lens will be pretty sharp but other stocks shot indoors will be pretty grainy and soft. I am saying for what you pay though 16 is a much better option. I love the format but with these prices... I might as well shoot on 16mm and potentially get a broadcast ready footage. S8 looks like bad 16 on a good day as opposed to a classic s8 look. Tyler said this a while back and I agree with him on this. The prices should be lower. Edited October 13, 2022 by Giray Izcan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Cooper Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Giray Izcan said: I love the format but with these prices... I might as well shoot on 16mm and potentially get a broadcast ready footage. Oh yea regarding film costs these days, shooting 16mm seems like a no brainer (getting significantly better quality footage for close to the same cost.) However, one big drawcard of super 8 over 16mm and what makes it so accessible is the low cost of the equipment (with some exceptions like the Beaulieu 4008.) So many times at flea markets, I have seen super 8 cameras selling for dirt cheap prices - often less than $15. I once bought a fully functional Minolta XL-400 for $5. Another attractive thing about these cameras apart from the rock bottom prices is their small size and weight. Not long ago, I brought along a Canon 1014E on an overseas trip to Bali. It would be quite a bit more hassle to haul along a big, heavy 16mm camera on an overseas trip. Another nice thing about super 8 cameras is that the majority of them are equipped with reflex viewfinders, regardless of price. It's almost a given. Many times you can pick up a 16mm camera with no reflex viewfinder for a bargain price. When it comes to 16mm with reflex viewfinders, the price will sky rocket. I guess the only exception to this is the K3 - probably the most affordable 16mm camera with a reflex viewfinder. And I do admit that there is something about the retro look of super 8 that can be charming. I got some super 8 footage of a rural scene in Bali (a farmer working in the field / rice paddy) and it looked like it could have been shot in the 60s or 70s. I think capturing somewhat similar rural scenes in Vietnam and Egypt on super 8 would look really cool. It would look more or less like archival footage of traditional lifestyles. Oliver Stone made good use of super 8 in his film JFK. A number of audience members were fooled into thinking that they were looking at original footage that was shot in the 60s (even though of course super 8 didn't exist in the early 60s.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Cooper Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Actually, there's another obstacle in my way with regards to shooting 16mm and that is the cost of the transfer. At least here in Australia when I shoot super 8, I can pay pretty reasonable prices for a HD or 4k transfer at Nanolab and get reasonably good quality (reversal or negative film.) Though when shooting 16mm negative film, you would likely need the services of a professional transfer facility with a Spirit unit etc and pay "professional" prices. I bet it would cost a small fortune (especially with colour grading included.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giray Izcan Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Here in the US, they scan them with same scanners so the cost is pretty much the same - maybe a hundred dollar difference. For only that much difference in price, unless that's the look you want, shooting s8 doesn't make a whole a lot of sense. Ironically, I am going to be shooting something experimental with my Minolta XL 84 to see how 7213 looks when it is 1 stop overexposed and properly lit. In case, a project calls for the format and there is enough traction for the format especially in fashion video world that it would be good to know what type of results I could get with the cameraI have when it's shot properly. 7219 is too grainy for s8.. Even s16 looks much crisper on 7213 than 19. I prefer to shoot on 13 for both s8 and s16 and over expose 2/3 - a stop. 19 is great on 35 though. Edited October 14, 2022 by Giray Izcan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giray Izcan Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 As far as portability and convenience goes, you could shoot on Canon Scoopic with all its auto features and small size and a sharp lens. Just my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Cooper Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Oh yea I have considered the Canon Scoopic. Ive seen some nice looking samples from footage posted online. Good lens though I wish it had interchangeable lenses. Of course we can't have everything. I would likely use manual exposure mode if I owned one. Good luck with the 200T test. That would certainly be a versatile film. I have shot 500T on super 8 and it wasn't as grainy as I expected. I thought it would be super grainy. It worked well for some night city scenes that I was filming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted October 14, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted October 14, 2022 I haven't been entirely happy with super 8 in the past, so I purchased a Beaulieu 6008 and I love the lens, it really looks nice. We're dong a project thats supposed to look like it was shot in the 70's... here is a demo from our first shoot. Scanned with our FilmFabriek HDS+ in 4k. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giray Izcan Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 I might be getting a Beaulieu 2008s with an Angenieux lens. 25fps aspect of it i dont like though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted October 14, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted October 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Giray Izcan said: I might be getting a Beaulieu 2008s with an Angenieux lens. 25fps aspect of it i dont like though. 25fps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giray Izcan Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Yes... 2008s frame rate goes from 16 to 25fps instead of 24. 4008 model shoots 24fps. I might just go with a 4008 since I don't want to deal with flickering etc under hmi lighting. I want to use the camera as if it's a 16 or 35mm camera with well executed and lit shots. Edited October 14, 2022 by Giray Izcan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Cooper Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 On 10/14/2022 at 7:46 AM, Giray Izcan said: I might as well shoot on 16mm and potentially get a broadcast ready footage. Actually that's another thing that's worth discussing - 16mm being broadcast ready footage. As we all know these days, TV content is dominated by the widescreen 16:9 aspect ratio. For those looking to buy a 16mm camera on a small budget, it's unlikely that they could afford to purchase Super 16 equipment or pay for a S16 conversion (for shooting in 15:9.) So most folks in that situation would be buying a regular 16mm camera and in this day and age, the demand for 4:3 content is not going to be great. Obviously, it would have been a different case over 30 years ago. I shoot stock footage (mostly digital) and it would be nice to submit some 16mm footage but I don't think too many buyers would be interested in 4:3 content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted October 15, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted October 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Giray Izcan said: Yes... 2008s frame rate goes from 16 to 25fps instead of 24. 4008 model shoots 24fps. I might just go with a 4008 since I don't want to deal with flickering etc under hmi lighting. I want to use the camera as if it's a 16 or 35mm camera with well executed and lit shots. Interesting, I did not know that. I have two 4008's and a 6008. I've never even shot with the 4008's honestly, neither of them work sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giray Izcan Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Nikon r10 is great too.. I'm torn. I don't like the shutter angle on Beaulieus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Cooper Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Tyler, that footage while driving down the downhill street looked awesome. Nice sunset imagery too. The music suited the footage well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Keen Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 10/14/2022 at 12:55 AM, Tyler Purcell said: I haven't been entirely happy with super 8 in the past, so I purchased a Beaulieu 6008 and I love the lens, it really looks nice. We're dong a project thats supposed to look like it was shot in the 70's... here is a demo from our first shoot. Scanned with our FilmFabriek HDS+ in 4k. Loved this. And at 1:37 the cut to the zoom into the sunset with the start of the new musical phrase is beautiful and engaging 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted November 3, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted November 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Dave Keen said: Loved this. And at 1:37 the cut to the zoom into the sunset with the start of the new musical phrase is beautiful and engaging Thanks! It's part of a much bigger project, so I kinda had to cut it short in order to make it all work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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