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HOW DID THEY DO THIS SPIN??

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I was watching an old re upload of the Disney Summer Jam 1999 concert and there was a shot where I think it was a flawless barrel roll spin of the camera on one of the backup singers.

Here is a link providing all necessary samples: https://imgur.com/a/rJ5xYGZ

Was this done with just an ENG camera and nice hands? Is there a rig I'm unaware of? The fact they did this in a broadcast workflow astounds me.
All answers appreciated!

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56 minutes ago, Bruce Greene said:

It looks like hand held, but I'm guessing it was not done with a broadcast ENG camera 🙂  Something much smaller...

What handheld cameras did they have with BNC outs back then?

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Just for contrast, here's a Technicolor spinning camera rig. Photos Courtesy Jim Aupperle. We think it was used on Fred Astaire's “The Band Wagon”:

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7 hours ago, Webster C said:

Just for contrast, here's a Technicolor spinning camera rig. Photos Courtesy Jim Aupperle. We think it was used on Fred Astaire's “The Band Wagon”:

I had known of that rig in the past, but there's no way they had that giant thing on stage with the talent. 

 

9 hours ago, Adam Froehlich said:

remember seeing this in Reddit, could be similar

Maybe, but the camera wasn't that low in the original example. It's brain-bending on how they did this...

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Not sure what you mean by that Technicolor rig being too large to use on stage with actors. Have you seen how large a blimped Technicolor camera was?

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11 minutes ago, Max Field said:

Maybe, but the camera wasn't that low in the original example. It's brain-bending on how they did this...

Doesn't look that hard to spin a small DV camera like that -- it looks semi-handheld already.  When you said "flawless" I was expecting to see a perfect circular spin like with a Panatate or 3-axis remote head, etc.

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6 hours ago, David Mullen ASC said:

Doesn't look that hard to spin a small DV camera like that

I understand the spinning of a small DV camera but doesn't the amount of highlights in the lens flare suggest a longer ENG style lens due to more glass elements? Whatever it is, it's set to a wide angle.

What small DV cameras would ABC have used back then? I can't imagine such a big network getting a bunch of VX1000s running around (I also wasn't seeing any in the rest of the footage I skimmed, thought it's possible I missed something) Obviously that wouldn't matter for the sake of shooting in 2019, but if it was not a small camera, there's some rig or technique to learn about.

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No but I keep saying that they had the camera up 5 feet in the air consistently while doing the spin in my sample. How would they be gripping it to get it to spin that quickly up there?

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If the op is elevated to begin such as on a stage or a condor or standing or something to that effect, the perspective doesn't have to be shoulder level where you would assume it is.

 

Its possible with a large ENG camera to do that roll pretty effortlessly with experience and if the camera/op is elevated throughout, it might be a good indication that there is some something they are standing on off frame for the duration. 

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Timecoded here in the video is the cameraman pointing at the singer with the camera at shoulder level, with no elevated point of standing at all. Or holding a mini camera for that matter. The fact we see that there is what drives me even crazier into this mystery

 

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Its just a guy spinning a ENG camera with his hands. one point of contact is the handle, the other is the shoulder pad. Done the move myself many times.

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24 minutes ago, Mike Krumlauf said:

Its just a guy spinning a ENG camera with his hands. one point of contact is the handle, the other is the shoulder pad. Done the move myself many times.

Can you make a video demonstrating that? I can do that when it goes low down but I can't figure out the hand placement for it being above chest level.

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7 hours ago, Max Field said:

Can you make a video demonstrating that? I can do that when it goes low down but I can't figure out the hand placement for it being above chest level.

If i had an ENG Camera i'd be more than happy but I don't anymore

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