Neil Capolongo Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I must say I am STUNNED that SOMEONE has put this kind of effort into my beloved medium of Super-8! While I am VERY IMPRESSED with the steadiness and quality of the image you have achieved, I must say I am not happy with the scratches that appear to be on the camera original. I have never been into the "distressed" look that some Super-8 filmmakers are into, and have always strived for the cleanest look I can get from the medium. Are the scratches emanating from a fault in your transport design? I hope not! This is AMAZING! All the best with this new exciting development in Super-8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Looper Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 The "scratches" will be just hairs and dust. They appear white in the digital copy (and might resemble scratches to the uninformed eye) insofar as the original film image, being negative, has been inverted to a positive during transfer to digital, ie. a procedure which also inverts the otherwise black appearance of any hairs and dust on the film. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Capolongo Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 You know I was just about to retract my question, when I realized that you are shooting negative! Thank you so much for your prompt response! I remain in AWE of your dedication and accomplishment! All the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Looper Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) In case there is any confusion, credit for the beautifully shot film belongs to Friedemann Wachsmuth. I wasn't involved in any way with the work. I too am in awe. With both the camera and the test shoot. C Edited June 30, 2014 by Carl Looper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Millar Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Carl, not that I think it should be implemented this way in this product but one way of decreasing the pitch (and intensity) of a LED array is to use fibre optics. Each original LED feeds it's output into a fibre attached (glued/whatever) to the array they are then bunched up as close (and in whatever order/array) as you like at the other end, trick being the fibre diameter is much smaller than the original LED and of course it's nice and bendy for tight spaces also. Re. registration, not sure how much reverse engineering can get you in terms of simple inspection - probably quite far with an enquiring mind - however, one thing to note is that projectors are optimised for one speed only. (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Looper Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Hi Chris - yes that's really a good idea. Fibre optics. Nice and bendy. The light source can then be quite distant from the 'writing head'. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedemann Wachsmuth Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 There is absolutely no space for this I think. Remember there is the claw and the registration pin already, beside the pressure plate. Both pins support high torque and operate with extreme precision, so their gudance is pretty solid. Also, there is the mirror system with the beam splitter closeby too... However, since the claw is at the -2 position (ISO 1787-1984) like in any projector, actual registration pitch variance should not matter. This is als long as the scanner used uses the same sprocket hole for vertical registration (the LaserGraphics Scanstation does not). You are right Carl, horizontal registration is provided by film guides (with two spring loaded saddles to cover slitting tolerances). Below attached is a photo of a beta-version of the claw/registration module. (This has still 3D-printed parts and differs from the final design which required changes to make film loading easier) Meta data can be logged by the software onto the SD card, actually even as Excel file containing all settings, takes and timecodes. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Kovats Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 It appears that Pro8mm will be demoing the Logmar in Burbank on July 15. "Having trouble viewing this email? Click here Company Logo Meet the new Logmar Super 8 Film Camera Pro8mm Open House July 15th Interesting Image After much anticipation Pro8mm is excited to be sharing with you that a new Super 8 Camera is entering the film market! Digital Viewfinder, 200' Load Capacity, Crystal Sync, Built-In High Quality Audio, and Pin-Registered movement are all features of this exciting new design. The Logmar Super 8 Camera is the first new Super 8 film camera that has been designed from the ground up since the 1980's. Since 2009, two industry veterans from Denmark with mechanical and electronic design have been developing this exciting project. It is anticipated to be the most sophisticated Super 8 camera for the modern filmmaker. Interesting Image On Tuesday, July 15th, 2014 our friends at Logmar Camera Solutions will be visiting Pro8mm for a very special open house and camera demonstration. Stop by our Burbank facility to meet the fantastic team at Logmar Camera Solutions and be among the first customers in the world to see a live demonstration of the Logmar Super 8 Camera. We’ll also be recording a live video demonstration for our out-of-area clients. Interesting Image Meet the New Logmar Super 8 Camera Open House! When: Tuesday, July 15th , 2014 Time: 2pm to 6pm PST Where: Pro8mm 2805 West Magnolia Blvd. Burbank, CA 91505 Ph: 818-848-5522 Hosted by: Pro8mm & Logmar Camera Solutions RSVP for the OPEN HOUSE JULY 15 RSVP for the VIDEO DEMO Interesting Image Share: Follow: If you no longer wish to receive our emails, click the link below: Unsubscribe Pro8mm 2805 W. Magnolia Blvd. Burbank, California 91505 United States (818) 848-5522" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heikki Repo Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Pro8mm supporting Logmar is certainly good news, because I'm almost certain that they can supply Vision3 film in 200 ft. loads to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 No doubt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Looper Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Hi Friedemann, the proposal was to do it at an offset from the gate, in the same way that sound heads are built offset from gates. In other words there would be a second gate through which the film passes. However, as we've previously discussed, it's really not necessary as the camera's pin registration (plus film edge registration) already provides perfect registration information. Scanners just need to make sure they use the film edge, as much as sprocket holes, to reconstruct registration. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Martins Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Future video samples with close ups and other varying shots of people/models, even lighting up some locations, would provide useful examples of the potential detail quality of this camera. They'd be very helpful. So far, it looks like it could replicate the late 70s/entire 80s film look, and maybe some modern lighting aesthetics could produce dynamic results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Looper Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 It's not "replicating" any film look. It's a real life film camera using real contemporary film stock. Carl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andries Molenaar Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 It appears that Pro8mm will be demoing the Logmar in Burbank on July 15. Good luck! Makes one wonder though what will happen to the price of the camera. The originally posted price doesn't allow for these kind of happenings and expenses. How many could they possibly sell? 200? 500? And resellers should sell at the same price as Logmar themselves? How could these resellers possibly make a workable profit on the sales? Remarkable how the 200ft option has become part of the camera. Is there still production of spools? And is somebody filling these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heikki Repo Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Remarkable how the 200ft option has become part of the camera. Is there still production of spools? And is somebody filling these? Wittner does sell 200ft loads of Aviphot chrome, PXR50, Fomapan and AGFA Scala 200X: http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/katalog/04_filmm/s8_meter.php Hopefully Pro8mm does fill the color negative gap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andries Molenaar Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Wittner does sell 200ft loads of Aviphot chrome, PXR50, Fomapan and AGFA Scala 200X: http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/katalog/04_filmm/s8_meter.php Hopefully Pro8mm does fill the color negative gap. These area all "auf Rohfilmkern (Bobby)" I.e. a core. Not on 200ft spools. Wittner would need to restart their 200ft spooling department. And have spools manufactured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Perry Paolantonio Posted July 2, 2014 Site Sponsor Share Posted July 2, 2014 And resellers should sell at the same price as Logmar themselves? How could these resellers possibly make a workable profit on the sales? The manufacturer sells cameras to the retailer at a reduced price, the retailer sells at the manufacturer's suggested retail price, the difference is their profit. The retailers aren't in the business of just selling cameras, they're doing it because it's a way to drive customers to their establishment, where they will make other purchases - in this case, film stock, processing, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andries Molenaar Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) The manufacturer sells cameras to the retailer at a reduced price, the retailer sells at the manufacturer's suggested retail price, the difference is their profit. The retailers aren't in the business of just selling cameras, they're doing it because it's a way to drive customers to their establishment, where they will make other purchases - in this case, film stock, processing, etc. I am aware how things work. Considering the rather low price it is a smallwonder they can produce and deliver without losing money. If they have to supply wholesale from that to some it seems to there will be no profit at all for Logmar. Hourly rates for skilled labour in Denmark aren't that low. Considering the pricing philosophy of Wittner and Pro8mm on rebuilt cameras I expect the Logmar will need to sell at some $5000 They are no pricing low on gear to make a few dollars on films and services. Edited July 2, 2014 by Andries Molenaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Alboukharey Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Ohhh god...I really hope the camera is not going to be priced as that! :( It needs to compete with the current obsession of DSLR cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Looper Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) $5000 is a reasonable price. The high end Super8 cameras of the late seventies would be close to that figure in today's prices, (ie. relative to incomes, cost of living, etc) and the Logmar is better than those cameras. Not that I'd want to encourage high prices! Eventually the market will decide. But keep in mind it's a niche market. One can't compare it to the mass market for DSLR. Niche markets have their own particular logic. Edited July 21, 2014 by Carl Looper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 5K is too much for me but less than 3K i will probably get one. Does anyone know how much the extra mag might cost? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Alboukharey Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Hi guys, sorry for bringing this old thread up, but I have been meaning to ask this... How did Friedemann Wachsmuth managed to get ahold of the prototype camera months ago??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heikki Repo Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 He was in contact with Lasse. They had some people testing prototypes at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Alboukharey Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Ohhh man, that is so unfair, cause this would've been really useful to me for my university project where i dealt with Suoer8 film! In a way im still somewhat a student and still want to fulfil this, do you know if it is possible to test the camera out for my project??? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Alboukharey Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 No? Anyone at all may i ask? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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