Stuart Brereton Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Just recently started watching this show, only a couple of episodes in. Some great ideas and it looks very nice, but one thing continually bugs me. Most of the framing is fairly traditional, but when they shoot overs, they either frame the subject hard to the edge of frame, which means you have 2/3 of the frame filled with someone's shoulder, or they center punch the subject, leaving half the frame empty and apparently devoid of any meaning. It's obviously a deliberate choice, as they do it all the time, but it's distracting as hell and seems to serve no purpose as the rest of the coverage is entirely normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin R Probyn Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I think there is sometimes a theory.. that if the framing is not visually pleasant and or jarring .. you,ll remember the show .. I hate to be a luddite,but good story,acting,directing,lighting etc.. you don't need the ,look at me, film school framing.. the camera work should never standout more than the acting/script.. IMHO.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 25, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 25, 2015 Just watched the trailer. I'm normally very uninterested in comic book stuff but the lead performance is interesting. Whole thing looked a stop under. P PS - Oh, yeah, and bloody flash banding. Stoppit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Clark Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Just watched the trailer. I'm normally very uninterested in comic book stuff but the lead performance is interesting. Whole thing looked a stop under. P PS - Oh, yeah, and bloody flash banding. Stoppit! According to IMDB, if it is correct... it was shot with a Red Epic Dragon... doesn't that have 'global' shutter options? Is there a 'light loss cost' with global shutter? I think the 'look' is intended to be neo-digital-noir... I've liked the show... I like the 'hancock-isque' of a broken super heroine... quite different from the Laura Croft style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted November 25, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 25, 2015 The Red cameras all have a rolling shutter. There is a "motion mount" system that can be attached which acts as a global shutter, but it has an overall light loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Bill DiPietra Posted November 25, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 25, 2015 Just watched the trailer. I was liking it until I saw the A-train. There is no subway car on that line that comes anywhere close to looking that new & pristine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Clark Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I was liking it until I saw the A-train. There is no subway car on that line that comes anywhere close to looking that new & pristine! So. Cal is like New York as a popular backdrop for Hollywood films/TV shows... and I do sometimes drop out of my 'willingly suspended disbelief' mode when a character needs to get from one place to another in LA... and takes a few 'minutes'... when I know it would take an hour or 2 just to go 10 miles... then there's parking... heck I've had the meter maid/man hit my car with in 'seconds' of parking... to write out a ticket... and these movie jokers seem to be able to 1) find parking, and 2) park almost anywhere with impunity... except of course when parking violations are a plot device... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Bill DiPietra Posted November 25, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 25, 2015 Yeah, the native New Yorker in me automatically took over when I saw that. I now return you all to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Tinsley Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 So. Cal is like New York as a popular backdrop for Hollywood films/TV shows... and I do sometimes drop out of my 'willingly suspended disbelief' mode when a character needs to get from one place to another in LA... and takes a few 'minutes'... when I know it would take an hour or 2 just to go 10 miles... then there's parking... heck I've had the meter maid/man hit my car with in 'seconds' of parking... to write out a ticket... and these movie jokers seem to be able to 1) find parking, and 2) park almost anywhere with impunity... except of course when parking violations are a plot device... To be fair, I think that's a bit trivial. I would never want to go through watching a character find parking / sitting in traffic unless it had an impact on the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted November 25, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 25, 2015 As far as I know, the show is shot in NYC. Related to this, when I told my doctor, who grew up in NYC and left in 1980, that I shot "Smash", he said "Where do you shoot it?" "In Manhattan..." I said, then he replied "It looks too clean to be New York City". Well, he hasn't been back there since 1980 so I'm not surprised that the city looks a lot cleaner now. But as for the A-Train issue, I'm sure they shoot in some non-used subway car set-aside for production, so it's probably not the ones used on the A line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timHealy Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 as a native new yorker ... the train did not bother me. You know they do buy new cars once in a while and make reefs out of old decommissioned ones? I don't know if they built a train car for the show though I could find out. Person Of Interest did have a standing train car built at Silvercup. Perhaps they "borrowed" it. But the typical subway lines the MTA lets production use are the Times Square shuttle and one of the trains at the Hoyt Schermerhorn station for moving train interiors. Also the subway museum near Hoyt Schermerhorn for non moving train interiors. There was also another line, maybe it was an F train near Prospect Park in the Kensington neighborhood. best Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E Clark Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) To be fair, I think that's a bit trivial. I would never want to go through watching a character find parking / sitting in traffic unless it had an impact on the story. These things are subtle... another one is this scene from "Back to the Future"(1985)... Most people would probably not even notice... unless one happened to live in a place where there use to be a US 395... or still is, like north of Victorville... or know the convention of numbering of East/West being even numbers, North/South being odd numbers... and in San Diego in particular, there's Interstate I-8 which intersects portions of old US 395, I-8 follows the path of US 80... with the San Diego segments of US 395 and US 80 being decommissioned in favor of I-15 and I-8 respectively... Ok... so most people probably are not even remotely thinking of these sorts of things watching a movie... weird things take me out of films for moments... (Clicking on the image seem to give a larger version...). Edited November 26, 2015 by John E Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brereton Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 But what do people think of the framing...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member David Mullen ASC Posted November 26, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 26, 2015 I remember as a student at UCLA watching a movie shot on campus and seeing a character run out of one building and immediately into a nearby building, only in reality the second building was all the way across campus, and in the opposite direction. I see this spatial compression in NYC movies all the time, people walking near Soho suddenly being in the Upper Westside, etc. In "Superman: The Movie", Lois and Clark step out of the Daily Planet building on 42nd St. and get held up near a street in the Financial District in Lower Manhattan. That's a long stroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Bill DiPietra Posted November 26, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 26, 2015 But the typical subway lines the MTA lets production use are the Times Square shuttle... That's actually what the interior looked like, so if they used an actual subway car, that was probably it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin R Probyn Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) I guess its just the way it is.. if you know a particular city very well.. it will be something that your going to notice.. and it will always register how ever good the film is.. but its only a tiny fraction of the hoped for global audience I guess ! .. Lost in Translation had a few very odd location cuts too.. literally running around corners into a completely different part of Tokyo.. not even driving or trains .. but only Tokyoites would notice.. well actually its so huge.. only those that knew those locations..! Edited November 26, 2015 by Robin R Probyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Hartman Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 These things are subtle... another one is this scene from "Back to the Future"(1985)... Most people would probably not even notice... unless one happened to live in a place where there use to be a US 395... or still is, like north of Victorville... or know the convention of numbering of East/West being even numbers, North/South being odd numbers... and in San Diego in particular, there's Interstate I-8 which intersects portions of old US 395, I-8 follows the path of US 80... with the San Diego segments of US 395 and US 80 being decommissioned in favor of I-15 and I-8 respectively... Ok... so most people probably are not even remotely thinking of these sorts of things watching a movie... weird things take me out of films for moments... (Clicking on the image seem to give a larger version...). What is the thing that you watch movies for? Is it ever for pure entertainment, escapism or only for the purposes of dissection? Unless it's a documentary or biography, doesn't filmaking involve the suspension of disbelief? If the highway sign was important to the story in any way, they would have had the signs replaced. For all intents and purposes Hill Valley could have been along US route 666 or 000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manu Delpech Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) Nobody else but a total nerd would notice these things, if it really takes you out of it, I think it's more telling of the person who's watching. I've always disliked over-analyzing movies or tv shows, not that doing so is a terrible thing, but it means you're not in it, you're not enjoying it fully, some people are like that, too busy nitpicking everything. Like JD says: Suspension of disbelief, tons of movies shoot in places as substitutes for other places, do you ever think about it while watching the movie? I guess if you live in those places, and notice that a few details are off, maybe, but I just cannot imagine thinking this way. To each his own I guess. Going back to the main topic at hand, Jessica Jones looks pretty good, it has a very different flavor to it obviously compared to Daredevil as it's not even a superhero show, it's a 100 % film noir, detective story that happens to have three characters with superhuman abilities at the heart of it. Edited November 26, 2015 by Manu Delpech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 26, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 26, 2015 Yeah, and platform nine-and-three-quarters is just a wall, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timHealy Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I thought the last Batman movie did a great job cutting between New York, LA and Pittsburgh during its chase scenes. Im a jerk that knows NY very well, LA a little and Pittsburgh not at all. But with the help of Google Earth was able to track down many of the locations and how they tied it all together. It is seamless. I'll try and find time to watch a few episodes of Jessica Jones this weekend, but it appears to be as dark as Daredevil, I'll have to watch it at night so I can see whats on the screen. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manu Delpech Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) There was probably a good chunk of CG involved in that. JJ is even darker than Daredevil (for real, although I don't mean visually) Edited November 26, 2015 by Manu Delpech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Hartman Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Plop a couple of these down on a street in almost any city, add a fog machine underneath and viola, instant NYC street scene. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_steam_system#/media/File:Con_Ed_steam_stack_7th_Ave_and_20th_Street_from_north.jpg Actually saw this done during the filming of "The Badge" in NYC's LES. The authentic NYC Lower East Side location wasn't authentic enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 26, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 26, 2015 I'm always very disappointed by those. The first time I ever visited NYC (around 2000) was, I get the impression, shortly before they became common, and the steam would still drift out of the ground. Big orange chimneys everywhere isn't nearly so evocative. I am, as a result, guilty of shooting a scene intended to be set in a (futuristic) London with steam coming out of the ground, just because it looks cool when people walk through it. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Bill DiPietra Posted November 26, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 26, 2015 I'm always very disappointed by those. The first time I ever visited NYC (around 2000) was, I get the impression, shortly before they became common... Actually, those things have been around for as long as I can remember. Actually saw this done during the filming of "The Badge" in NYC's LES. The authentic NYC Lower East Side location wasn't authentic enough. That really doesn't surprise me. With all the gentrification that this city has gone through over the past twenty years, you can't just plant a camera on a non-descript New York City street anymore and know that it is an NYC street just by looking at the footage. The city has lost that grit & grime that used to define it. And it all started when Giuliani turned the seedy parts of Times Square into Disney World. But I digress, once again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Phil Rhodes Posted November 26, 2015 Premium Member Share Posted November 26, 2015 Yeah, they were there, but there were more steaming manhole covers than there are now. In my memory, at least. I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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