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I also just saw the left eye vf extension on ebay and it totally looks like the original non erect Angie vf inside of an extended housing- I wonder if there’s a light loss to account for? Also I know the kinoptik is very popular for more orientable angles but has anyone tried the cinema products orientable finder? I have one in basically mint condition but as I have the original Angie finder on my body I can’t use it as it utilizes a different mount, if anyone has that mount I’d be happy to purchase it.

Rain rig + LED volume seems like a bad time

Aster does some unique things with sound, as I recall both of these films had their own writeup on asoundeffect, just Google the titles plus sound design, they might go into this.

It’s interesting that you mention eBay as a gauge since this site doesn’t seem to be one in your mind. The number of completed listings is far more reflective of complete ACLs than broken parts cameras you allude to buying and then repairing (even though you’ve personally said you apparently like the ACL although the vf [one of the most important aspects of a 16mm camera] is “unusable” so it seems an odd practice to partake in) Sourcing parts is also a nightmare as you yourself said so- how you were able to supply over 24 cameras with them is a bit baffling to myself as well. You are correct in that I don’t have to believe you, I choose not to. Apparently business is booming so I hope it keeps up for you, can’t imagine it has much to do with customer service though.

Tyler, as an ACL owner myself I know a couple things about the camera- 1)There aren’t that many of them, they were primarily used for news gathering but some went into feature production- most of the bodies that went into news gathering died there either from lack of service or were given to/purchased by camera operators in the UK that didn’t take the best of care of them and then became barn finds and 2)There aren’t that many places that are referred to for ACL service- number one in the US was S16 run by Bernie O’Doherty, Andrew at AZSpectrum also has been a regular technician in addition to duall who used to provide S16 service and finally VP. With four solid houses that were/are quite often backlogged with ACL work I find it very difficult to believe you were also providing that service especially again, as I have been an ACL owner for some years now and have never heard your name mentioned once as someone to go to for that service (nor amcamera which I know you are affiliated with) Which brings me to my point- I find (among your other fairly dubious claims which are usually used to straw man sometimes legitimate arguments but usually not) your claim of working on multiple dozens of ACLs pretty flimsy, one look at the eclair message board will show the dearth of these bodies even available as unusable parts cameras so you saying you’ve worked on literally over 24 of them when there were at least 4 houses known to be pros and your name is not even in the mix seems like exactly the kind of overstatement I’ve personally come to expect here. I’m not sure what my point is here except that frankly I don’t really believe you, and the picture you are painting doesn’t really hold up. Gregg, I also miss the downvote button, the participation trophies are not useful.

Hi Aapo, I’ve heard rumblings about this project on the board but that’s exciting to hear the specifics, like Gregg said definitely keep us posted. And also like Gregg said, I myself would love mirror parking haha. Will you be making them for all different sized ACL bases? Is it crystal?

Oh wow, that’s certainly one solution to recentering the matte box for s16. As long as the trays are side loading it doesn’t look half bad honestly.

In my mind the biggest stumbling block is the single 3/8s point for mounting in the bottom, I’ve had a similar thought - it would be great to have all of this integrated into a baseplate but how do you keep it from rotating? I suppose you could put some kind of a lip in that uses friction to keep the whole thing from twisting? The other issue I suppose would be the battery since there’s so few original acl batteries it seems everyone is using their own homebrew solution which is fine but also how do you make a mount that can receive that many shapes and sizes of batteries? A gold/v solution would be great off the back, somebody should get on a jeager to d tap with an inline voltage regulator.

Re: Jeager connectors- I bought two xlr to jaeger cables made to order from another member on this forum, Jean Louis Seguin- this was in 2020 so not sure if he still has the connectors but I’d give him a shot.

Nice, fun to see another red top Handle, mine came with the same one- usually they’re blacked out.

To your point of “one can’t really use a different GG in a particular camera” - When I received my ACL the GG had come unglued and was smashed, one of the first things Bernie did to the body was to put in a brand new GG and while he mentioned how lucky I was as it was one of the few remaining ones he had with s16 markings, he made no mention of it being a whole process to switch out because it was specifically for a different ACL- I suppose you’d have to go to Les or Paul now to confirm that’s true but just wanted to note my camera definitely doesn’t have an original GG and the reflex system works perfectly.

Seconding this as I personally know two folks with n16 ACLs who were looking to get the same procedure done without sending it out of the states.

It was a very brief conversation only on the super-ing process, as Chris says I think they’ll still work/overhaul as long as they have parts.

Bit of bad news for the thread but just called Visual Products this morning (3/21/22) and was informed they are no longer doing ACL super 16 conversions as they don’t have the parts necessary. I’m going to inquire with Les and see if that’s still an option.

Gregg, thanks so much, you’re a wealth of ACL knowledge and this is much appreciated- I know they already have the ACL body and were just asking about s16 conversion (and I also know the benefits to super-ing do come at a cost but I believe they’re trying to go this route to bring the camera onto more paid work and we all know producers love super over normal) I’ll definitely float the option of buying your body and will PM if they want to go for it- again, really appreciate the heads up!

Hey friends- Sorry to derail the thread with a question but this seems like the most relevant spot- a friend is looking for a shop to do a super 16 ACL conversion, anybody know who still provides the service? Duall did mine but last I spoke with them they have stopped because of parts shortages, going to give them a ring tomorrow to see if that’s still the case. offhand I know Les is still doing them but beyond that no real idea, something in the US would be welcome on account of shipping/VAT- any suggestions are more than welcome!

I mean to be fair in this instance- operating a joker is an electric position, not Grip- That’s like asking your gaffer what attachments you need for your Fisher setup.

It isn’t odd, anything serviced through a rental house which will be 99 percent of shows bought by Netflix and the like will already have that gear, Abakus will be missed (especially the b4>s16 adapter) but there’s basically zero between these two markets.

See if he has anymore 7000 dollar 416s laying around.

Talk about ROI

Double perf=2r Single perf= 1r The Kodak motion picture buying guide/price list has a very helpful segment on how to read cans.

By the way who is this great cabal you refer to as only “they” that have come together over secret meetings to refer to the ACL as a toy? Wondering if there’s a single citation you can provide (no need for twenty)

Nobody asked for twenty pages, two sentences would have been sufficient but in typical Tyler fashion you couldn’t do that so in typical Tyler fashion you just moved the goalposts and told everybody you’re too busy. Glad to know in 2022 some things never change.

Didn’t he just post today that he had to change a bunch of parts over from plastic to aluminum because they were stress fracturing? It’s a cool project but I think it’s a lot rougher around the edges than the IG lets on.

This really could have been posted in Off-Topic, Daniel.