Jurgen Lossau Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 No more color reversal film made by Kodak. Super 8, 16 mm, 35mm - gone. Vision3 50D color negative film will come in Super 8. More info on http://www.schmalfilm.de- in German language... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Alessandro Machi Posted December 11, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted December 11, 2012 Wouldn't it be good public relations to let the public know before the final run of 100 Ektachrome D is made, then let people who really like the stock buy a whole bunch of it and base the final run on pre-sales as well? Â And if Kodak is worried a huge buy on a final run of Ektachrome 100D film product will affect sales of the remaining film stocks, just give the buyer a cartridge or two of the negative stock that will replace the discontinued Ektachrome stock as a lure. Â I love Ektachrome 100 D, however, 50 negative may prove to be an even better alternative, as long as one can afford the negative transfer costs, so Kodak could win both ways, let people buy a ton of ektachrome, but lure them with a free sample negative replacement stock as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen Lossau Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 The final run is long ago - they sell the last batch from the refrigerator - Kodak says the film in stock will last for about 3 months. So you can see: This is a production which was long ago - and now they sell the last rolls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Stevens Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 A shame I am tapped out after Christmas and an upcoming trip overseas. I'd but 200 cartridges if I could. Negative stock is stupid crazy expensive the transfer compared to reversal. This is a real blow to my ability to film color in 8mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Rodgers Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I love conventionally projecting my own films on a screen. It now looks like I'll mostly be shooting B&W Tri-X for that very reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 How sad... I actually just got watery eyed. Guess I don't have to go out of my way to find a good scanning house for 100D after all. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Payne Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Not good, surf and super 8 are my passion, what to do but stock up what I can afford and use selectively, was about to buy a new camera. Was Edited December 12, 2012 by Ian Payne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Interestingly, Kodak just announced on their Motion Picture Page:  http://motion.kodak.com/motion/About/News/2012/Dec11_1.htm  They mention the second part of the article, adding Vision3 50D to their Super 8 portfolio. No mention of eliminating 100D... Yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Oh... and I am extremely excited about Vision3 50D. I had the chance to shoot a few rolls from Pro8mm and the results are amazing. I've never seen a finer grained, highlight detailed, Super 8 film. Fantastic stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Sorry... posting again... Unfortunately, this part of the official Kodak release: Â Â With this addition to the Kodak Super 8 film portfolio, filmmakers can choose from three color negatives ranging in speeds from 50 to 500 on the exposure index, or the KODAK TRI-X Black & White Reversal Film 7266. Â Â Â Seems to confirm that 100D Color Reversal is no longer available. :( Edited December 12, 2012 by David Cunningham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen Lossau Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 The official statement: http://motion.kodak.com/motion/About/The_Storyboard/4294970514/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Howell Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 no color reversal film being readily available is a disaster and will only make super8 increasingly inaccessible to those newcomers wanting to just pick up a camera and shoot as simply as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Adrian Sierkowski Posted December 12, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted December 12, 2012 Well there goes my hope to one day shoot something on 5285. Not S8mm, 'course, but sucks just the same. I really loved Kodak's Reversal stocks... looks like they and their wonderful quirks, and gone for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member andy oliver Posted December 12, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted December 12, 2012 The final run is long ago - they sell the last batch from the refrigerator - Kodak says the film in stock will last for about 3 months. So you can see: This is a production which was long ago - and now they sell the last rolls... Â Kodak made one last final run of double super 8 100d last year, people should of read between the lines back then and began stock pilling to avoid any rush this announcement may cause! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 no color reversal film being readily available is a disaster and will only make super8 increasingly inaccessible to those newcomers wanting to just pick up a camera and shoot as simply as possible. Â Technically, we still have Velvia 50 through Spectra. Not sure what their supply and future looks like. But, it's there. Â http://www.spectrafilmandvideo.com/Film.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Will Montgomery Posted December 12, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted December 12, 2012 Now we'll see if any other company will step up to fill the void; if they think the void is worth filling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Bill DiPietra Posted December 12, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted December 12, 2012 This is a big problem for students, too. When I was in college we shot reversal since it was so much cheaper than negative. Now, the universities that are still teaching film programs - even though they are few and far between - will force students who want to shoot on film to shoot negative. The costs alone will push even more budding filmmakers towards the faster, cheaper alternative. Â Another tactically poor move by Kodak. If you want people to keep shooting film, you have to get them when they are just starting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Howell Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 hopefully someone like Lomography.com will have a crack at producing and selling to the highly lucrative hipster demographic. They're already producing their own brands of 110 and 120 stills film so I think super8 might be up their street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I just got the confirmation from Spectra Film and Video regarding their Velvia 50D and E6 processing: Â Â "yes, we will continue to stock this item and the processing for the foreseeable future." Â Â Just ordered two rolls to test it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Alessandro Machi Posted December 13, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted December 13, 2012 Well there goes my hope to one day shoot something on 5285. Not S8mm, 'course, but sucks just the same. I really loved Kodak's Reversal stocks... looks like they and their wonderful quirks, and gone for good. Â Cracks me up, DP's wouldn't hesitate to pick up a digital 8 camcorder or mini-dv and be cutting edge, but no way would anyone attempt anything of note on Super-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Alessandro Machi Posted December 13, 2012 Premium Member Share Posted December 13, 2012 Wedding videographers have established a nice niche shooting Super-8 film, I think the Ektachrome 100D was popular with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Payne Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 My question is there anyone who develops and telecines negative that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Or is film just for the industry now and not just for consumers like me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Rodgers Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Andec still do Super 8 prints: http://www.andecfilm.de/en/e_s8_neg_pos.htm  Whilst Wittner Cinetec will be offering 100D: http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/neu/news2012.php#20121213-1  Thus there is some light at the end of the tunnel.   Yet Super 8 really needs a lot more people to jump on board, as the format may well have to be saved like the Impossible Project saved Polaroid (but not my favourite 500 films). So let's hope that even more Hipsters are drawn to the format! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Cunningham Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) Great news about Wittner. Having Velvia 50D (while supplies last) and Wittner 100D will make life easier and definitely make it unnecessary to horde Kodak 100D. Â Super 8 has found a nice niche in wedding cinematography (my field). But, I hardly ever use reversal for it anymore. No brides care about actually being able to project it and the lack of latitude made it a nightmare in modern wedding settings. Between running indoors and outdoors and all the bright dance floor lighting in dark rooms, reversal was almost useless. I'm all negative (almost all 500T except for outdoor exclusive weddings) these days. The extra grain of 500T is actually appealing as it increases the "nostalgic" look. Â Two rolls of Spectra Velvia 50D on the way to me for testing/personal use though. Edited December 13, 2012 by David Cunningham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steve Salem Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) I'd sooner treat digital footage to look the way I want before using color negative super 8. Negative film always looks like fake super 8 to me anyway. Also, I just can't cope with the unknown factor of the transfer - not to mention the expense. In my early days I recognized that the transfers I was getting back were a hack. So I tooled up to do my own transfers and really enjoy being able to tweak for the best possible result. Â Negative film might be fine for larger formats where you're attempting to maximize image quality and minimize artifacts. But it's the artifacts of small format reversal film that makes super 8 so charming. It's not JUST the fact that it's "real film". The wedding folks who hopped on the super 8 band wagon will continue to peddle super 8 using negative stocks. Brides will still buy the pitch because the industry has adopted the concept so broadly and it's now a big money maker for the industry. The clients don't know any better and now many never will. The reality is that negative film simply does not have the beauty factor and charm of super 8 reversal, ESPECIALLY since plus-x was discontinued. It's not just about getting a recognizable image in low light. Â Unfortunately, people seeking the true super 8 experience are just going to be left feeling disappointed. And possibly ripped off. Edited December 14, 2012 by Steve Salem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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