Mark Sperry Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Ugh, don't get me started on 100D. Negative stocks are great but 100D looked fantastic. That color pallet was perfect. But yes as others have said depending on where they go a 500-750 dollar price target is not unreasonable for a company that can partner with Asian factories. The screen doesn't exactly have to be a Retina display, the expense will probably come from all the moving parts. It's not going to tempt me away from my Max 8 4008 though. I love that camera! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Fettig Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 A $499 sales price isn't a difficult target to hit for production line manufacturing, even in high cost markets like the US, Germany or Japan. Heck, some children's toys are more complicated than a super 8 camera. Super exciting. Kodak has needed to do this for a long, long time. Although I supposed the Kodachrome court case (bundling film with prepaid mailers) from the 50s probably gave them pause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Not my best article as I had to cobble it together in a bit of a rush but it gives more details on everything: http://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/3146-surprise-new-super-8-camera-from-kodak?page=1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Bill DiPietra Posted January 6, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted January 6, 2016 Great article, Freya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Great article, Freya! Heh heh! Except somehow I linked to the press release but it is a press release very much worth reading! :) Here is what I actually wrote: http://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/3146-surprise-new-super-8-camera-from-kodak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andries Molenaar Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Even without the camera the new style of processing service is an example how things should work. People send in their film and all in one tariff they can expect their film soon and a digital copy most likely will be made available through an online downloadservice. I.e it will be available the day it was developed and/or scanned, saving a week or more of waiting. A way of working current labs should/could have adopted years ago. But these thought everything was just nice like it is and just let the customer suffer the shipping time-delay of shipping it to the lab and then to the scanservice. Now see when Kodak actually starts processing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Sperry Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Well of course one thing we have to come to expect is that we're not going to get the nice, big files that we get from current labs. No way Kodak can offer ProRes HQ. It'll be a compressed something file which will not be as malleable in editing. But yeah, film photo labs like The FIND Lab, Indie Film Lab and RPL offer digital downloads and it's awesome. The files are jpgs though so it's just a trade off that you have to deal with. I always like to overscan my Super 8 and I know I'm going to have to say goodbye to that, but I can't say no to the price. The scan just needs to look great though, and really resolve the grain. I hate mushy Super 8 scans that just look like poop video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Bill DiPietra Posted January 6, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted January 6, 2016 Well of course one thing we have to come to expect is that we're not going to get the nice, big files that we get from current labs. No way Kodak can offer ProRes HQ. It'll be a compressed something file which will not be as malleable in editing. Not necessarily. I can easily see them offering hi-res scans for an extra charge. And most people would pay for it since this service is all about convenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Winfield Heckert Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I think this is just awsome! and a at $500-700 price range I'm onboard. Way to start 2016!!!!! I really hope they offer a color reversal again. The 100D stock was beautiful. The AGFA stock is a great option, I've captured some decent color at sunset but overall its very grainy in super8. Sign me up take my money!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Schilling Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'll take 2!!!! http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/5/10719012/kodaks-new-gadget-is-a-super-8-film-camera-and-it-kind-of-warms-my Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Winfield Heckert Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 They grabbed alot of media coverage, hope they can roll this camera out by summer or in time for Christmas.They could go far with this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Stevens Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 50ft carts are soooo limited. The first and last ten or so seconds are always a mess so you basically have two minutes. And it's tough to do anything with sync sound that way. One take and your done. So I hope and pray they do 100 footers. If they do I am in. Guaranteed. The other issue is for sound you need a quiet camera. The Logmar is LOUD. As loud as my Nikon R10, if not louder. The Canon 1014 XLS is certainly quieter. The camera needs some really good sound suppression. Perhaps they sell a $999 model that is properly blimped and takes 100 foot carts. Pros would eat it up. No matter what this step takes balls. Kodak is trying to stay alive and no doubt they can develop a nice niche market with this. If the product is well made maybe even more. I absolutely love Super8 and shot a big-ass production with it in September. I am editing now and will end up with a 20 minute proof-of-concept (we hope to make a feature version). I created a 5 minute version for Kodak's audienceawards contest (which i knew was rigged, but it was an experiment I was glad to engage in). If you want to see how 8mm can be used in a modern production, here ya go: http://theaudienceawards.com/films/revelations52236 Their servers are sh!t so if that won't load use the password vimeo on vimeo: ;) https://vimeo.com/149476818 Scanned at Cinelab in 2K. I had ever even attempted grading before so imagine what the 8mm footage will look like once someone who knows what they are doing gets his or her mitts on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andries Molenaar Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 It is an unlikely to be true assumption that KODAK will not scan HD properly. There is hardly SD equipment left. Why would they seek to use outdated machines? 100 ft in the room of a 50ft is only possible using very thin film. Which likely doesn't help image quality much. Since the new camera has a built in microphone it will be designed such that it is very well usable. Almost funny how end-users without any skills in engineering and design think and write as if they know better than a design team of a company which is risking millions in this project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dunn Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Matt, 100' was never offered. There was a 200' sound cartridge which a few cameras could take. Basically they had a hole cut in the top with a hinged flap over it. It was never a big seller and it's vanishingly unlikely that they will resurrect it. Anyway the prototype has a handle where the flap would go and it will only take a silent cartridge- the sound cartridges are deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Black Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Matt, 100' was never offered. There was a 200' sound cartridge which a few cameras could take. Basically they had a hole cut in the top with a hinged flap over it. It was never a big seller and it's vanishingly unlikely that they will resurrect it. Anyway the prototype has a handle where the flap would go and it will only take a silent cartridge- the sound cartridges are deeper. Yeah, I was also looking at the picture and thinking that handle is in the way. I think it would be cool if they did resurrect it but I admit it does seem unlikely but then again the whole thing seems unlikely! I would prefer if they kept to the 200ft standard as it's already around but you are right that as it was a sound standard it might be a bit unwieldy. Having the few older cameras that work to the standard would help in terms of having a larger user base however. At one point, long ago, someone even came up with a 400ft reloadable cart for the older standard. Freya Edited January 7, 2016 by Freya Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Sperry Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I noticed that they're using the Ricoh Pentax 6mm 1.2 as an option in the early specs. Not bad, I use that lens on my 4008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Winfield Heckert Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Bloomberg Reports C-mount mount 4K scanning and $1000 pricetag. they have a little video about it too. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-07/new-kodak-super-8-concept-camera-first-look-video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Burke Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I was looking at the Kodak site about the new camera and found out that they are selling stock via the site again. Thank you Kodak!! I have never stopped shooting film. Now it seems as if it is going to be even easier to do so. I am going to buy on for my nephew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Bill DiPietra Posted January 7, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted January 7, 2016 I was looking at the Kodak site about the new camera and found out that they are selling stock via the site again. Thank you Kodak!! I have never stopped shooting film. Had a feeling they'd do that as a precursor to the sale of the camera. The camera will most likely only be available through Kodak, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Kovats Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Bloomberg reporter hints at 4K scan as part of the new Kodak one-stop-shop channel relative to the new Kodak/Logmar Super 8 camera. Calls this the flagship ($1000 US) with more models planned. I suspect that Logmar actual built the prototypes for CES2016. Which will eventually be farmed out overseas for mass production, i.e. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-07/new-kodak-super-8-concept-camera-first-look-video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Sponsor Robert Houllahan Posted January 7, 2016 Site Sponsor Share Posted January 7, 2016 I wonder if Kodak made a deal with Pro8 to handle the lab and post work? I doubt that they will be setting up a lab and scan facility and Pro8 had/has an exclusive on the Logmar in the US. Seems plausible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Tyler Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 The specs are out: http://www.kodak.com/ek/US/en/consumer/Product/Product_Specs/?contentId=4294993082&TaxId=4294969683Technical SpecificationsFILM GAUGESUPER 8 ( EXTENDED MAX-8 GATE )FILM LOADKODAK CARTRIDGES WITH 50 FT (15 M)SPEEDVARIABLE SPEEDS (9, 12, 18, 24, 25 FPS) ALL WITH CRYSTAL SYNCLENS MOUNTC-MOUNTFOCAL LENGTHFIXED / 6 MM, 1:1.2 – RICOH LENS (OPTIONAL ZOOM 8-48 MM LENS )FOCUS / APERTUREMANUAL FOCUS & IRISVIEWFINDER3.5" DISPLAY THAT HAS A STANDARD DEFINITION VIDEO INPUT AND SUPPORTS SWIVEL +/- 45 DEGREESEXPOSUREEXPOSURE CONTROLBUILT-IN LIGHT METER FOR SUPPORTED SPEEDS OF ALL KODAK FILM TYPESMANUAL SPEED / MANUAL IRIS SETTINGPOWER SUPPLYBATTERY & CHARGERINTEGRATED BATTERY AND CHARGER VIA STANDARD USB WALL ADAPTERCONTROL PANELVIA VIEWFINDER 3,5" TFT LCDSETTINGSVIA JOG WHEEL AS USER INTERFACE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted January 8, 2016 Author Premium Member Share Posted January 8, 2016 I wonder if Kodak made a deal with Pro8 to handle the lab and post work? I doubt that they will be setting up a lab and scan facility and Pro8 had/has an exclusive on the Logmar in the US. Kodak is opening a lab in NYC very soon. I assume they'll be doing all the processing and transfers themselves. I don't think Logmar and Pro8 has much to do with this new endeavor. It seems to be a direct with Kodak venture, which is great actually. It leaves the remaining labs to focus on more commercial ventures 16/35. Robert... I was going to ask you... If someone wanted to shoot 70mm and use you guys as a processing facility, what's the ramp up cost for you to convert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Sperry Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Are these things confirmed or just rumors? Seems beyond my wildest dreams honestly! 4k potential, max 8, NYC lab! Insane. I am looking forward to shooting SOOO much more super 8. The cherry on this Sundae of Glory would be if they'll overscan for me and show the film edge. :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Tyler Purcell Posted January 8, 2016 Author Premium Member Share Posted January 8, 2016 This is all 100% happening. Looks like there will be 2 cameras though. One for around $499 and one around $999, it's unclear what features will be removed for the $499 camera at this time. However, everything else looks to be spot on accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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