Gregg MacPherson Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) Eclair Flea Market Concepts Looking at the high volume of traffic on Cine Marketplace sub-forum, noticing how quickly items disappear downstream... I thought we could have a single Flea Market thread on Eclair, where sellers make a post (reply) rather than a thread for each item. One could also advertise like normal on the Marketplace and have links connecting Flea Market and Marketplace, both ways. I don't think this qualifies as "double posting". Google search engine yields links to the Marketplace, ranked at or near the top of the page, but not Flea Market, however the later can still be valuable. Having an Eclair Flea Market will give us a historical summary of Eclair stuff being sold, and help retain contacts. Any thoughts? Let us know...Maybe I just give it a whirl... Edited May 23, 2022 by Gregg MacPherson improve syntax 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 ACL II Factory Top Handle What can I say...it's not red. Can't see the front pin in the photo, it's slightly shorter, but it's there. USD70, and counting down maybe. Shipping don't know yet, just ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) Eclair ACL English 400'magazines USD300 each. Shipping one to US...USD75, to UK/Europe...USD67 Two English 400'magazines. Cosmetically a bit scruffy. Fully disassembled, cleaned and lubed except for feed and take up spindles. New drive sprocket bearings and rubber take up tyres. No plastic pressure plate covers. This is the mag that Eclair designed for the ACL I, which had the small Tomson motor. This camera/motor/mag combination is designed to not overload. I shot a lot of film this exact way in the 80s. The mag draws less amps than the french mag. I tested the current draw after the lube and it was on par with a 200' mag English 400' mags run fine on any ACL...(more info, and details on the overhaul in the listing on cinemarketplace) https://cinematography.com/index.php?/forums/topic/91105-eclair-acl-english-400magazines-two/ Learn more about English 400' mags here... https://cinematography.com/index.php?/forums/topic/91664-english-acl-400-mags-facts-and-myths/ SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD These mags were bought on eBay by Chapin in Hawaii. Sounds like he has an ACL I that he loans out to students and new people, so they went to a good home. Hope he may join the forum. He also has an ACL II. Edited May 23, 2022 by Gregg MacPherson sold, and added info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) A couple of useful items on eBay Eclair ACL Magazine Throat Cover. ...USD50....made out of flexible polyurethane casting resin Eclair ACL 1.5 & 2 camera aperture and gate protection plate. (3D printed)...USD25 Eclair ACL. Body and Angenieux viewfinder caps. (1 of each...USD40 Edited April 15, 2022 by Gregg MacPherson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruben Arce Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Gregg MacPherson said: A couple of useful 3D printed items on eBay Eclair ACL Magazine Throat Cover. ...USD50 Thanks for sharing my items Gregg! Just to clarify, the Throat Cover is made out of flexible polyurethane casting resin, not 3D printed. It' almost identical to the original one, including the imperfections that the original one I used as master have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 Thanks Ruben, I missed that. I made a correction to my post. Figuring out some editing and formatting quirks. I'm quite interested in that casting process so I'll enquire about it. The Flea Market seems a good place to notify about these items. Selling small runs to replace very rare old parts, I don't know if Tim Tyler would consider you in the commercial category. You could ask him. I would have added small pics of those items but ran out of time. Gregg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Duncan Brown Posted April 15, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Ruben Arce said: Thanks for sharing my items Gregg! Just to clarify, the Throat Cover is made out of flexible polyurethane casting resin, not 3D printed. It' almost identical to the original one, including the imperfections that the original one I used as master have. I'd actually be more likely to buy one if it didn't have the new logo on it. Surely there's no IP rights holder still enforcing their rights on the Eclair logo? Duncan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Duncan Brown said: ... Surely there's no IP rights holder still enforcing their rights on the Eclair logo? Hopefully, if someone is hoarding the Arts Media parts, they did not also get the IP, copyrights. Even if they did, there are probably more willing lawyers in Paris, Texas than Paris, France (hyperbole..). Speaking of copyright, I panicked when I realized I had just pasted a bunch of links with formatting from Cameras Eclair, so wrote a nice email to Erkan Umut, asking about it. Got an even nicer email back..."..No worries, all copyleft..." Laughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heikki Repo Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gregg MacPherson said: Hopefully, if someone is hoarding the Arts Media parts, they did not also get the IP, copyrights. Most likely Aaton holds those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) FS: Eclair NPR Super 16mm Camera Package. See Samuel Adeiza's post May 16, 2020 in Cine Marketplace https://cinematography.com/index.php?/forums/topic/83794-fs-eclair-npr-super-16mm-camera-package/ Still for sale SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD Edited May 23, 2022 by Gregg MacPherson sold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Adeiza Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Thanks for placing this link here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Adeiza Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD Up for sale is the Eclair NPR Super 16mm camera package in great condition. Package comes with these: - Camera converted to Super 16, with a PL Mount & "C" Mount; ground glass re-centered for S16. - Lens converted from its "CA" Mount to PL Mount. - New battery, cable and charger, tested to be fully functional. Items also included: - Angenieux 9.5 / 95mm... 1:2.2 lens PL Mount + sun visor and directional rod. - Protective cover and soundproofing / blimp... for camera. - 2 120meters magazines. - Perfectone motor. - 1 Flight case. - Facsimile of the original instructions for use. The Price is 2060 GBP (the cost of shipping not included) Items location is Wales. Camera and lens conversion fully done by Les Bosher; battery, cable and charger with modern components also replaced and tested by him. Communication with him about any concern is encouraged. Camera recently serviced, and operation checked by the same camera engineer, it's all ready to shoot. No issues. Images below shows the items that come with the package. Attached Images: (Photos are of camera before upgrading) Edited May 23, 2022 by Gregg MacPherson sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) Swiss-made Perfectone 24fps 50hz governor controlled motor for Eclair NPR 16mm movie camera. Has a 4-pin XLR female socket (industry standard). A flat-base NPR motor cradle is included with the motor. In quite used, but good working condition. 150gbp + postage Contact Ian Samels iansamels(at)hotmail.com I found Ian, a photographer in London, when chasing a very old lead on some Eclair parts. He mentioned this motor for sale. Gregg. SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD Edited May 23, 2022 by Gregg MacPherson sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giray Izcan Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 If anyone has a functioning crystal sync motor(24fps) for the NPR, please reach out to me. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Duncan Brown Posted April 26, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted April 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Giray Izcan said: If anyone has a functioning crystal sync motor(24fps) for the NPR, please reach out to me. Thank you. You and me both ? Duncan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted April 26, 2022 Author Share Posted April 26, 2022 On 4/23/2022 at 11:41 AM, Samuel Adeiza said: Up for sale is the Eclair NPR Super 16mm camera package in great condition..... Samuel, for the project you guys were intending, what Lab were you going to use..? Gregg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Adeiza Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Then, Cinelab at New Bedford was the most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted April 26, 2022 Author Share Posted April 26, 2022 (edited) The question arose from assuming you were shooting in Nigeria, and wondering at your possible choices of lab. Were you intending to shoot in Nigeria? Edited April 26, 2022 by Gregg MacPherson more words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Adeiza Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Oh yes, the whole shooting was to be done in Nigeria. Shooting on film is almost non-existent in Nigeria (I shoot all my stills on Nikon F and short projects/music videos on my adorable but noisy R16 Krasnogorsk-3; I’ve only met a handful of people that work with film). So I basically import film stocks from the U.S then ship out film stocks to be processed also in the U.S. It’s great fun. The experience is highly educational, and the outcome is superb. So I always try to work with this medium as much as I can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Duncan Brown Posted April 29, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted April 29, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 3:33 PM, Gregg MacPherson said: Swiss-made Perfectone 24fps 50hz governor controlled motor for Eclair NPR 16mm movie camera. Has a 4-pin XLR female socket (industry standard). A flat-base NPR motor cradle is included with the motor. In quite used, but good working condition. 150gbp + postage Contact Ian Samels iansamels(at)hotmail.com I found Ian, a photographer in London, when chasing a very old lead on some Eclair parts. He mentioned this motor for sale. Gregg. Bought it. Duncan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) On 4/15/2022 at 9:25 PM, Gregg MacPherson said: Eclair ACL English 400'magazines The mags listed above at USD300 each. Shipping one to US...USD75, to UK/Europe...USD67..Just listed on eBay for USD350, but may walk it back. https://www.ebay.com/itm/154981801819 https://www.ebay.com/itm/154981787645 I finally had some contact with eBay, gave my sob story about my seller limits (3 items and $200 total per month), and they fixed it (now 100 items and $5000 per month). Yippiekaiyay etc... SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD Edited May 23, 2022 by Gregg MacPherson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Duncan Brown Posted May 6, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) Visual Products has an interesting "left eye extension" viewfinder for the ACL by Angenieux on ebay. I won't put a link because two months from now when it stops working everyone who reads this thread afterwards will be frustrated by that fact. I'll post a couple of their pictures here - go search for it if you're interested in buying it ($535 USD buy it now). I'd also be interested in any comments on this item, since I'd never heard of such a thing before. Was it designed for a different camera? A one-off for a left-eyed DOP? Duncan Edited May 6, 2022 by Duncan Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg MacPherson Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 The vertical part looks like the "non orientable" Angenieux, or am I wrong. The swivel/diopter thumb screws and camera mount are recognisable. There must be added or modified optical elements, probably in the extended tube. My vote is that this was for ACL. For left eye operators. There must have been enough demand. The big Kinoptik finder can reach the left eye. I thought the "fully orientable" Ang could too. You would know Duncan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Duncan Brown Posted May 7, 2022 Premium Member Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Gregg MacPherson said: The big Kinoptik finder can reach the left eye. I thought the "fully orientable" Ang could too. You would know Duncan. It doesn't swing completely straight out to the side, so it's a little tighter and clumsier for left eye viewing than that special purpose extended one. Duncan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Shannon Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I also just saw the left eye vf extension on ebay and it totally looks like the original non erect Angie vf inside of an extended housing- I wonder if there’s a light loss to account for? Also I know the kinoptik is very popular for more orientable angles but has anyone tried the cinema products orientable finder? I have one in basically mint condition but as I have the original Angie finder on my body I can’t use it as it utilizes a different mount, if anyone has that mount I’d be happy to purchase it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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